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There is also a larger version with numeric keypad. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK2C3LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-touch-id-and-numeric-keypad-for-mac-models

There is also a larger version with numeric keypad. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK2C3LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-touch-id-and-numeric-keypad-for-mac-models-with-apple-silicon-us-english https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK2C3LL/A/magic-keyboard-...

SmellTheGlove 5y ago
But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? I agree with the other poster that said apple design is in the tank right now. Man that is awful.
- DeusExMachina 5y ago
  What's the difference? You can register the fingerprint of any finger, not just the thumb.
  - NikolaNovak 5y ago
    For me (not the op), the difference is between going to a corner of a physical device (mindless, immediate); vs having to hunt for specific position in the middle of device (more conscious, intent). Put it differently, "one of these things is not like the other", so it makes intuitive sense -- for me :) -- for it to be in a corner and "isolated" from typing keys. 20 years ago I read in a very basic "Intro to UI" that 1-pixel in the corner of your screen is effectively the biggest button on the screen (this was for mouse and desktop monitor, of course), as you can just push your mouse there without aiming or stopping. The wisdom of being able to use motion to go to an extreme of device intuitively stuck with me ever since.
- acdha 5y ago
  I'm betting it was a minimal change: they replaced the Eject key on the previous model, which makes sense given that no Apple Silicon devices have a drive with removable media.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  Because someone would whine about it either way. If it's not in the upper right corner, it's wrong. If it's not within easy reach of the more typical position of the right hand (for people who touch type at least) then it's in the wrong position. It's a lose-lose, doesn't matter what they do some people will be unhappy. And whatever they do, some people will be content or happy. So they picked one that made sense for people who don't rest their hand on the number pad all day long.
  - SmellTheGlove 5y ago
    Heh I suppose I did whine about it. But if you opt for a 10 key it’s probably because it’s going to get used, and putting it absolute top right would keep it consistent with its placement on other products.
- unfunco 5y ago
  Is it? I personally think it makes more sense there, it replaces the eject button (is that an eject symbol? It's been a while since I've had to care about eject) – and it matches the button position on the laptops, e.g. above the backspace button.
  - SmellTheGlove 5y ago
    It’s in the top right corner on every other device that has one though. If I’m reaching for it that’s just where I expect it to be. The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion, but this to me just looks like they bolted on a 10 key to the existing product.
    - jsjohnst 5y ago
      > The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion That's one conclusion. Could also be your attitude / way you expressed your opinion too. ;)
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      - SmellTheGlove 5y ago
        > That's one conclusion. Could also be your attitude / way you expressed your opinion too. ;) Maybe, but I'm generally not a jerk around here, I just really don't like this design and expressed it. It really does hit me as shockingly bad. Like "why did they do that?" bad. That others like it as much as I hate it is a real surprise to me, but that's life.
        jsjohnst 5y ago
        > I'm generally not a jerk around here Scanning over your recent comment history, I agree with you. I wouldn’t even say the comment in question was jerk like, but rather hyperbolicly negative. You were essentially damning an entire company over a keyboard button position you disagreed with. We get it, you think it should always be far top right. I definitely see your point of view, but I can also see the point of view where they put it. I’m undecided which is better, but that doesn’t change the fact saying their entire design team sucks over that might be going to far. As someone who easily gets fired up with passion when I dislike something, I completely empathize. That’s why sometimes you need to take a breadth before posting.
- e-clinton 5y ago
  I agree with you. It’s much easier to press the button without having to look for it when it’s in the corner. I, too, thought that was a strange design choice.
- mrweasel 5y ago
  Both positions are equally weird. Why is it not on the left… not that I would give up the Esc button. I’m left handed, so I feel it’s more natural to use the fingers on my left hand. There are no position they could pick that will make everyone happy.
  - SmellTheGlove 5y ago
    I'm right-handed, but top left corner of the keyboard would also be better than where it is now, to me at least. I keep my laptop to the left of my keyboard and monitor when I'm docked (like I am now) and reaching with my left hand to the corner of the Macbook keyboard is also pretty natural. > There are no position they could pick that will make everyone happy. Seems that way!
- r00fus 5y ago
  Really missed an opportunity to provide an affordance here to align with Fitt's Law. Or they saw how useful F19 was in comparison to the touchID sensor :)
- headShrinker 5y ago
  > But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? It _is_? What am I/are you missing here? > apple design is in the tank right now There have been a diverse group of trolls screaming this for about 40 years. Meanwhile they are only the best by default. Don’t like it? Make something better
qbantek 5y ago
Nice. Now make an ergonomic one...

SmellTheGlove 5y ago

But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? I agree with the other poster that said apple design is in the tank right now. Man that is awful.

DeusExMachina 5y ago
What's the difference? You can register the fingerprint of any finger, not just the thumb.
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  For me (not the op), the difference is between going to a corner of a physical device (mindless, immediate); vs having to hunt for specific position in the middle of device (more conscious, intent). Put it differently, "one of these things is not like the other", so it makes intuitive sense -- for me :) -- for it to be in a corner and "isolated" from typing keys. 20 years ago I read in a very basic "Intro to UI" that 1-pixel in the corner of your screen is effectively the biggest button on the screen (this was for mouse and desktop monitor, of course), as you can just push your mouse there without aiming or stopping. The wisdom of being able to use motion to go to an extreme of device intuitively stuck with me ever since.
acdha 5y ago
I'm betting it was a minimal change: they replaced the Eject key on the previous model, which makes sense given that no Apple Silicon devices have a drive with removable media.
Jtsummers 5y ago
Because someone would whine about it either way. If it's not in the upper right corner, it's wrong. If it's not within easy reach of the more typical position of the right hand (for people who touch type at least) then it's in the wrong position. It's a lose-lose, doesn't matter what they do some people will be unhappy. And whatever they do, some people will be content or happy. So they picked one that made sense for people who don't rest their hand on the number pad all day long.
- SmellTheGlove 5y ago
  Heh I suppose I did whine about it. But if you opt for a 10 key it’s probably because it’s going to get used, and putting it absolute top right would keep it consistent with its placement on other products.
unfunco 5y ago
Is it? I personally think it makes more sense there, it replaces the eject button (is that an eject symbol? It's been a while since I've had to care about eject) – and it matches the button position on the laptops, e.g. above the backspace button.
- SmellTheGlove 5y ago
  It’s in the top right corner on every other device that has one though. If I’m reaching for it that’s just where I expect it to be. The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion, but this to me just looks like they bolted on a 10 key to the existing product.
  - jsjohnst 5y ago
    > The downvotes clearly indicate an unpopular opinion That's one conclusion. Could also be your attitude / way you expressed your opinion too. ;)
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    - SmellTheGlove 5y ago
      > That's one conclusion. Could also be your attitude / way you expressed your opinion too. ;) Maybe, but I'm generally not a jerk around here, I just really don't like this design and expressed it. It really does hit me as shockingly bad. Like "why did they do that?" bad. That others like it as much as I hate it is a real surprise to me, but that's life.
      - jsjohnst 5y ago
        > I'm generally not a jerk around here Scanning over your recent comment history, I agree with you. I wouldn’t even say the comment in question was jerk like, but rather hyperbolicly negative. You were essentially damning an entire company over a keyboard button position you disagreed with. We get it, you think it should always be far top right. I definitely see your point of view, but I can also see the point of view where they put it. I’m undecided which is better, but that doesn’t change the fact saying their entire design team sucks over that might be going to far. As someone who easily gets fired up with passion when I dislike something, I completely empathize. That’s why sometimes you need to take a breadth before posting.
e-clinton 5y ago
I agree with you. It’s much easier to press the button without having to look for it when it’s in the corner. I, too, thought that was a strange design choice.
mrweasel 5y ago
Both positions are equally weird. Why is it not on the left… not that I would give up the Esc button. I’m left handed, so I feel it’s more natural to use the fingers on my left hand. There are no position they could pick that will make everyone happy.
- SmellTheGlove 5y ago
  I'm right-handed, but top left corner of the keyboard would also be better than where it is now, to me at least. I keep my laptop to the left of my keyboard and monitor when I'm docked (like I am now) and reaching with my left hand to the corner of the Macbook keyboard is also pretty natural. > There are no position they could pick that will make everyone happy. Seems that way!
r00fus 5y ago
Really missed an opportunity to provide an affordance here to align with Fitt's Law. Or they saw how useful F19 was in comparison to the touchID sensor :)
headShrinker 5y ago
> But why the hell is the Touch ID sensor _not_ in the top right corner there? It _is_? What am I/are you missing here? > apple design is in the tank right now There have been a diverse group of trolls screaming this for about 40 years. Meanwhile they are only the best by default. Don’t like it? Make something better

qbantek 5y ago

Nice. Now make an ergonomic one...