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At the end of the day you were underpaying them, so I'm not sure putting the "blame" on the employee is the right way to frame this.

barbazoo 5y ago
It's like being in a relationship and breaking up because one is unhappy but refusing to talk to the other person about it. If you're unhappy with your pay and that's the only reason you're thinking about quitting, bring it up, what's the worst that could happen? To the people that say "retaliation", I find that highly unlikely. Every single place I've worked at, at least tried to accommodate me.
- yupper32 5y ago
  It's more like: you realize your SO for the past year has been putting in the bare minimum effort into the relationship and decide it's not even worth the conversation.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    Missed opportunity really. That's a year of not having a conversation about something that's bothering you. Sure people can live their lives however they want, but talking about issues, for me, on average resulted in better outcomes than not talking. That applies to romantic relationships as well as professional ones. Somehow people seem to think it has to be one sided when it comes to professional relationships with your employer. Maybe it's a lack of structured, routine, two sided feedback that makes people not bring up issues around compensation. Maybe employers should ask proactively if the employee is happy with their compensation.
ppeetteerr 5y ago
A company is not out there comparing salaries with salaries at other companies (not all, anyway). That would be too much pressure on a company to determine what compensation should be for that specific person. Not everyone can get into the top companies, so it's up to the employees themselves to determine what it means to be underpaid.
- yupper32 5y ago
  > so it's up to the employees themselves to determine what it means to be underpaid You can say that all you want, but at the end of the day it's you that's losing talent.
  - ppeetteerr 5y ago
    Yeah, programers move around a lot. I'm not saying don't pay them competitively, but a) you can't compete with Google, and b) there is a huge delta of salaries in the industry.

barbazoo 5y ago

It's like being in a relationship and breaking up because one is unhappy but refusing to talk to the other person about it. If you're unhappy with your pay and that's the only reason you're thinking about quitting, bring it up, what's the worst that could happen? To the people that say "retaliation", I find that highly unlikely. Every single place I've worked at, at least tried to accommodate me.

yupper32 5y ago
It's more like: you realize your SO for the past year has been putting in the bare minimum effort into the relationship and decide it's not even worth the conversation.
- barbazoo 5y ago
  Missed opportunity really. That's a year of not having a conversation about something that's bothering you. Sure people can live their lives however they want, but talking about issues, for me, on average resulted in better outcomes than not talking. That applies to romantic relationships as well as professional ones. Somehow people seem to think it has to be one sided when it comes to professional relationships with your employer. Maybe it's a lack of structured, routine, two sided feedback that makes people not bring up issues around compensation. Maybe employers should ask proactively if the employee is happy with their compensation.

ppeetteerr 5y ago

A company is not out there comparing salaries with salaries at other companies (not all, anyway). That would be too much pressure on a company to determine what compensation should be for that specific person. Not everyone can get into the top companies, so it's up to the employees themselves to determine what it means to be underpaid.

yupper32 5y ago
> so it's up to the employees themselves to determine what it means to be underpaid You can say that all you want, but at the end of the day it's you that's losing talent.
- ppeetteerr 5y ago
  Yeah, programers move around a lot. I'm not saying don't pay them competitively, but a) you can't compete with Google, and b) there is a huge delta of salaries in the industry.