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I've never understood what business and governments in the west thought was going to happen by investing so heavily in China. Did they really think China would

I've never understood what business and governments in the west thought was going to happen by investing so heavily in China. Did they really think China would just bend over backwards and take it like every other poor third world country they did this to? Western governments and corporations underestimate China far too much. Western banking dynasties go back a few hundred years, Chinese history and culture is thousands of years old and they operate in time scales of multiple generations. Western bankers and corporations are spring chickens compared to China. China as a country and culture only cares about one thing. Making the entire world an empire for the Han. They see everyone else as inferior, barely human. They will do anything to accomplish this, no matter how long it takes. All these western corporations, investment bankers and governments who think China's the future are right and they're helping them along swimmingly, what they don't realize is, they have no place in the Chinese future and will be discarded.

kinghtown 5y ago
“ China as a country and culture only cares about one thing. Making the entire world an empire for the Han. They see everyone else as inferior, barely human.” Easy does it MAGA. The PRC is a different animal than regular Chinese people.
- grawprog 5y ago
  Yes, hence why I said as a country and culture and specifically left out the people. The average person. is typically not the one responsible for such decisions. However, China's global ambitions and their xenophobia goes back much further than the PRC.
  - trasz 5y ago
    Global ambitions? Like invading countries and killing millions just to fix the oil price and pump more money into weapon industry?
koonsolo 5y ago
Hindsight is 20/20 of course. I guess they wanted to prevent a 2nd USSR, and thought that stimulating capitalism would also stimulate democracy. Because in the end, let's face it, the real problem is the CCP and not China itself. If China was a democratic country, the threat would be way smaller.
- grawprog 5y ago
  Chinas ambitions and culture go back further than the PRC. Their goals have nothing to do whITU communism. People really don't seem to get this. The communism red herring is just the same red herring it was with the USSR. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20083309 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20083309 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230286771_7 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230286771_7
asdff 5y ago
> I've never understood what business and governments in the west thought was going to happen by investing so heavily in China. Did they really think China would just bend over backwards and take it like every other poor third world country they did this to? To be fair a given business in the U.S. that produces something isn't going to care about geopolitics. They made things in the U.S. by underpaying immigrant laborers, then when they noticed wages were cheaper in mexico they moved manufacturing there, then did the same when China became even cheaper and higher quality than Mexico. All these business leaders care about is quarterly profits and getting bonuses to personally enrich themselves as fast as possible. They could care less about what happens in the world around them if they can afford to drink their cares away in utopian Napa.

kinghtown 5y ago

“ China as a country and culture only cares about one thing. Making the entire world an empire for the Han. They see everyone else as inferior, barely human.” Easy does it MAGA. The PRC is a different animal than regular Chinese people.

grawprog 5y ago
Yes, hence why I said as a country and culture and specifically left out the people. The average person. is typically not the one responsible for such decisions. However, China's global ambitions and their xenophobia goes back much further than the PRC.
- trasz 5y ago
  Global ambitions? Like invading countries and killing millions just to fix the oil price and pump more money into weapon industry?

koonsolo 5y ago

Hindsight is 20/20 of course. I guess they wanted to prevent a 2nd USSR, and thought that stimulating capitalism would also stimulate democracy. Because in the end, let's face it, the real problem is the CCP and not China itself. If China was a democratic country, the threat would be way smaller.

grawprog 5y ago
Chinas ambitions and culture go back further than the PRC. Their goals have nothing to do whITU communism. People really don't seem to get this. The communism red herring is just the same red herring it was with the USSR. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20083309 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20083309 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230286771_7 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230286771_7

asdff 5y ago

> I've never understood what business and governments in the west thought was going to happen by investing so heavily in China. Did they really think China would just bend over backwards and take it like every other poor third world country they did this to? To be fair a given business in the U.S. that produces something isn't going to care about geopolitics. They made things in the U.S. by underpaying immigrant laborers, then when they noticed wages were cheaper in mexico they moved manufacturing there, then did the same when China became even cheaper and higher quality than Mexico. All these business leaders care about is quarterly profits and getting bonuses to personally enrich themselves as fast as possible. They could care less about what happens in the world around them if they can afford to drink their cares away in utopian Napa.