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> Encouraging births isn't hard if a government decides its important Do you have any examples or even just any precedents how decades of declines and lowest b
by twelve40 5y ago
> Encouraging births isn't hard if a government decides its important
Do you have any examples or even just any precedents how decades of declines and lowest birth rate in the world have been easily and successfully turned around, or this is all just hypothetically probably not hard?
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y agoAs far as I can tell, there has yet to exist a condition under which the political will to really tackle this problem has been present, so you would not expect to see an example of a country successfully addressing it. This is pretty normal for humans -- waiting until a problem becomes catastrophic to do anything about it -- as we have seen in other areas recently. We will see how things are going in another few decades.
- ffwszgf 5y agoYou can’t rescue ethnic groups that refuse to procreate. Look at Norway and Sweden, the people in those countries long ago decided their culture was not worth preserving. No amount of policy will change that
- dragonwriter 5y ago> You can’t rescue ethnic groups that refuse to procreate. Ethnicity is more memetic than genetic. > Look at Norway and Sweden, the people in those countries long ago decided their culture was not worth preserving. Culture isn't transmitted by reproduction but by socialization. Immigration tends to involve socialization; indeed, the usual observation about future generations of immigrant populations aligning to preexisting native low birthrates in the developed world is evidence of either culture transfer (meaning reproduction not key to preserving culture) or that birth rates are a product of material incentives not culture (indicating that reversing low birth rates at need is a matter of changing material incentives, not culture.) Either way, the low current birth rates = irreversible drive to cultural death claim is inconsistent with the evidence.
- novok 5y agoThe examples are older and from authoritarian countries, but china and iran had state sponsored baby booms. China was started by mao, iran was also started by the revolutionaries shortly after the revolution. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2009/06/why-does-iran-have-such-a-young-population.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2009/06/why-does-iran-ha...
- twelve40 5y agoThank you for sharing, it was interesting to read. However, the article is not at all clear about the actual effect of those state measures. Wikipedia says that the steadily high total fertility rate in that country plummeted after 1985.
- emil0r 5y agoHungary. They started about ten years ago, and I believe they have managed to turn the trend.
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