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Software engineers especially can take on side projects to supplement their income. Maybe a bit less focus on the day job to reflect the below market pay. Keeps

by paul_f 5y ago

Software engineers especially can take on side projects to supplement their income. Maybe a bit less focus on the day job to reflect the below market pay. Keeps things in balance.

bookofsand 5y ago
The vast majority of companies ask for a 'we own everything you breathe' agreement as a prerequisite for employment. The vast majority of employed software engineers don't have the luxury to work on side projects, unless they relinquish the IP to their employer for no additional compenstation, which renders monetization moot.
- dwater 5y ago
  I worked with someone who was working 2 full time 9-5 jobs simultaneously for a few months before being found out. When the company did realize what was going on, they quietly parted ways with him without any punishment, because they didn't want it to get around that he got away with it for so long. I think if you're not at a big organization with a proper legal department, that's the most likely outcome.
  - positr0n 5y ago
    I know someone who did this for a over a decade. Even got promoted to management in one of the two jobs! They would sometimes have to take calls from both jobs with one earbud in each ear connected to each laptop. The industry the companies were in are not known for employing the best and brightest programmers... so I can understand being able to output enough to keep everyone happy. But it still boggles my mind that they never slipped up and got caught.
- DoingIsLearning 5y ago
  It depends on your country/jurisdiction. Most countries I worked in, anything done after hours, not using company resources, and not in the competition space of the employer is simply allowed. No company would be able to enforce that. In fact (I have had that happen) if the contract tries to over reach, in particular regarding IP, then that clause could just be made void in court.
  - toast0 5y ago
    If you work for a big company, there's not much out there to work on that's not in the competition space of the employer.
yupper32 5y ago
I don't know. How much time do people put into side projects that make money? 15-20 hours/week? I work 40 hours/week at a Big-N, but if I put another 15-20 hours per week into my current job I'd get promoted extremely quickly, and get a bigger raise from that promotion than any "side project" I could come up with. I don't want to do any of that, and moving companies is still probably the easiest way to get a large raise, but my point stands.
- jjav 5y ago
  > if I put another 15-20 hours per week into my current job I'd get promoted extremely quickly That'd be a very rare circumstance. In most jobs working 15-20 hours overtime each week only gets you 15-20 hours less for living your own life, nothing else.
  - yupper32 5y ago
    In software engineering? At all companies I've been at or have intimately known about, there have been clear guidelines for promotions and examples to look at. These are medium to large companies. FAANG and non-FAANG. I'm sure you're right in a lot of cases, but I feel like at most software companies I'm not too far off.
cblconfederate 5y ago
Side projects dont make anywhere near the amount of money that devs here expect to milk from well funded companies

by paul_f 5y ago

Software engineers especially can take on side projects to supplement their income. Maybe a bit less focus on the day job to reflect the below market pay. Keeps things in balance.

bookofsand 5y ago

The vast majority of companies ask for a 'we own everything you breathe' agreement as a prerequisite for employment. The vast majority of employed software engineers don't have the luxury to work on side projects, unless they relinquish the IP to their employer for no additional compenstation, which renders monetization moot.

dwater 5y ago
I worked with someone who was working 2 full time 9-5 jobs simultaneously for a few months before being found out. When the company did realize what was going on, they quietly parted ways with him without any punishment, because they didn't want it to get around that he got away with it for so long. I think if you're not at a big organization with a proper legal department, that's the most likely outcome.
- positr0n 5y ago
  I know someone who did this for a over a decade. Even got promoted to management in one of the two jobs! They would sometimes have to take calls from both jobs with one earbud in each ear connected to each laptop. The industry the companies were in are not known for employing the best and brightest programmers... so I can understand being able to output enough to keep everyone happy. But it still boggles my mind that they never slipped up and got caught.
DoingIsLearning 5y ago
It depends on your country/jurisdiction. Most countries I worked in, anything done after hours, not using company resources, and not in the competition space of the employer is simply allowed. No company would be able to enforce that. In fact (I have had that happen) if the contract tries to over reach, in particular regarding IP, then that clause could just be made void in court.
- toast0 5y ago
  If you work for a big company, there's not much out there to work on that's not in the competition space of the employer.

yupper32 5y ago

I don't know. How much time do people put into side projects that make money? 15-20 hours/week? I work 40 hours/week at a Big-N, but if I put another 15-20 hours per week into my current job I'd get promoted extremely quickly, and get a bigger raise from that promotion than any "side project" I could come up with. I don't want to do any of that, and moving companies is still probably the easiest way to get a large raise, but my point stands.

jjav 5y ago
> if I put another 15-20 hours per week into my current job I'd get promoted extremely quickly That'd be a very rare circumstance. In most jobs working 15-20 hours overtime each week only gets you 15-20 hours less for living your own life, nothing else.
- yupper32 5y ago
  In software engineering? At all companies I've been at or have intimately known about, there have been clear guidelines for promotions and examples to look at. These are medium to large companies. FAANG and non-FAANG. I'm sure you're right in a lot of cases, but I feel like at most software companies I'm not too far off.

cblconfederate 5y ago

Side projects dont make anywhere near the amount of money that devs here expect to milk from well funded companies