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Now that it's (clearly) catching on, I can see Google and/or Samsung re-branding their Pay apps to something else (maybe Google goes back to Wallet?) and includ

Now that it's (clearly) catching on, I can see Google and/or Samsung re-branding their Pay apps to something else (maybe Google goes back to Wallet?) and including ID capabilities. Personally while I like the idea of digital ID, never losing your cards, almost-impossible to get stolen, I don't like the idea that if someone (i.e. a LEO) needs to see my information, I might need to hand them my device, and in a some jurisdictions could be considered granting consent to a search. I also don't like the idea of what happens if your phone is damaged or the battery dies and it contains your only identification.

xrendan 5y ago
In my province (Alberta) I'm allowed to carry digital proof of insurance for my car instead of the standard pink sheet. The app has a mode that displays the insurance info on the lockscreen while locking the rest of the phone to the police (or whoever else needs to see it). So there are technical solutions to the first issue. The second issue, I completely agree, I would rather the system be an addition to existing IDs rather than a replacement to them.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  So much complexity, so many third parties you have to rely upon to not make any mistakes (or be abusive), for the convenience of not carrying a slip of paper in the glove box of your car....
  - meowkit 5y ago
    Strawman, Mr. Luddite. I don’t want cash, a wallet, plastic cards, metal keys, or tons of slips of paper from receipts and all other kinds of bullshit. Putting it on the phone as a native app is hardly complex. Use QR codes, an officer won’t need to look at your phone
    - lintroller 5y ago
      While I am not a security expert, it seems like a security risk for an officer to scan a QR code with their device.
      - meowkit 5y ago
        It could be a runtime hash of your data that the police database would already have. Why would that be a security risk?
  - Riseed 5y ago
    I still keep the slip of paper in my glove box, but that only helps me if I'm in my own car. The digital version is an excellent tradeoff on the off chance that I end up unexpectedly driving a friend's car or a rental.

xrendan 5y ago

In my province (Alberta) I'm allowed to carry digital proof of insurance for my car instead of the standard pink sheet. The app has a mode that displays the insurance info on the lockscreen while locking the rest of the phone to the police (or whoever else needs to see it). So there are technical solutions to the first issue. The second issue, I completely agree, I would rather the system be an addition to existing IDs rather than a replacement to them.

throwawayboise 5y ago
So much complexity, so many third parties you have to rely upon to not make any mistakes (or be abusive), for the convenience of not carrying a slip of paper in the glove box of your car....
- meowkit 5y ago
  Strawman, Mr. Luddite. I don’t want cash, a wallet, plastic cards, metal keys, or tons of slips of paper from receipts and all other kinds of bullshit. Putting it on the phone as a native app is hardly complex. Use QR codes, an officer won’t need to look at your phone
  - lintroller 5y ago
    While I am not a security expert, it seems like a security risk for an officer to scan a QR code with their device.
    - meowkit 5y ago
      It could be a runtime hash of your data that the police database would already have. Why would that be a security risk?
- Riseed 5y ago
  I still keep the slip of paper in my glove box, but that only helps me if I'm in my own car. The digital version is an excellent tradeoff on the off chance that I end up unexpectedly driving a friend's car or a rental.