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now its ok to say it right? because the guy who fought against it was deemed a racist for saying it.

HelloMcFly 5y ago
He was deemed a racist for all of his racist behavior. The most positive thing people had to say about his presidency was his efforts to confront China on trade, though the first phase of that trade deal appears to be a failure. I don't know how much blame to assign him personally though, we're not seeing many examples of success to compare it to.
AvesMerit 5y ago
To be clear, that guy was deemed racist for promoting stereotypes from a position of power. There are ways of fighting against CCP / Chinese govt. aggression without resorting to racism
- tomytosian 5y ago
  sure. he was deemed a racist for saying china is responsible for the virus and was countered by politicians who willingly infected people with covid by pushing them to go to superspread events from chinatown parades to BLM riots.
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  - HelloMcFly 5y ago
    Comments like these make it really difficult to not argue on the internet. * He was deemed a racist for many reasons. One of which was using his leadership and influence to stoke anti-Asian sentiment. You're not debating this point, right? Whataboutism is one thing, but worse when paired with denialism. * "Politicians who willingly infected people with covid" - Does it bother you that politicians would downplay the safety of American citizens related to an infectious disease to suit their own political ends? Or is this is a criticism you only levy against your political rivals? Do you really want to compare scorecards on Trump vs. his political rivals on public health? * Ignoring that the vast majority of BLM events were peaceful, which superspreader events are you referring to? They were outside, in the summer, often mobile, with a large share of mask-wearing attendees. I don't see any evidence of any of these events becoming superspreader events.
    - tomytosian 5y ago
      you are the one doing whataboutism right now. I am just arguing that trump was never racist against asian and that he tried to do things and was deemed a racist as a result. I never said he did not downplay covid. everyone did including Sir Fauci and all the democrats.
- zepto 5y ago
  He did do that, but to be clear he was also called a racist for things like imposing travel restrictions with China early in the coronavirus pandemic. It’s hard to take seriously the claim that accusations of racism are always made carefully and never used as a cheap partisan attack.
nemothekid 5y ago
>because the guy who fought against it was deemed a racist for saying it The guy who was against it was a racist because he couldn't articulate anything other than "China bad" and his policies to address China were useless at best and harmful to America at worst. He only wanted to look tough against a made up enemy but refused to change anything at home. If he was actually serious about competing with China, we would have been talking about Trump's infrastructure bill and had a plan on how to ween us off Chinese high-tech manufacturing (which is the best in the world), but now 4 years later we are scrambling trying to figure out how we will build fabs (one part of the equation) at home. For all the crying about China, he did shockingly little in actually addressing the issue (like almost all the issues he cried about). Anyone who looks at out current situation and comes to the conclusion we need to bomb China is a racist in my eyes. They are only motivated a fear of a rising eastern power and have no motivation in actually investing stateside to improve American hegemony.
- tomytosian 5y ago
  I dont know why u talking about bombing china. China is obviously lying about the virus, is restricting access to information and is at the inception of the greatest disaster in recent history. meanwhile their gdp is almost back to two digit growth while some people are in the street, died and countries collapsed. they need to be held accountable. trump is right. to answer the rest of your comment:tsmc is building its factory in the US, mainly because of trump actions, trump also destroyed huawei, a company that never respected any patents and IPs and just cheated its way into market domination backed up by CCP money. in a few weeks he totally made this company unable to produce and sell its devices, he turned the trade balance claiming that china was having a better hand than usa (which was and still is true). I am asian. I have never heard one racist thing against asians from trump. However. Democrats and Journalists permanently think and say that Asians are one entity, corroborating the hive mind notion that they are all the same and have no complex thought. This is totally racist. Many countries in Asia such as Japan and Korea are also calling covid the China Virus. the world is more complex than the petty moves of trump haters and while the way he speaks can be too frank and rude he was never perceived as a racist in asia. I guess the problem is mostly with politically minded americans and europeans. and finally if criminals - released by democrats because of covid- and crazy people are beating asians in the street. I would rather look at the profile of the perpetrators and draw out conclusions. Most of the people were biden voters and Id argue than 90% of the people I saw commiting crime in NY on asians were voting AOC or BIDEN for sure. does it mean biden is racist?
trasz 5y ago
I find it somewhat surprising that people are still defending that loser.

He was deemed a racist for all of his racist behavior. The most positive thing people had to say about his presidency was his efforts to confront China on trade, though the first phase of that trade deal appears to be a failure. I don't know how much blame to assign him personally though, we're not seeing many examples of success to compare it to.

AvesMerit 5y ago

To be clear, that guy was deemed racist for promoting stereotypes from a position of power. There are ways of fighting against CCP / Chinese govt. aggression without resorting to racism

tomytosian 5y ago
sure. he was deemed a racist for saying china is responsible for the virus and was countered by politicians who willingly infected people with covid by pushing them to go to superspread events from chinatown parades to BLM riots.
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- HelloMcFly 5y ago
  Comments like these make it really difficult to not argue on the internet. * He was deemed a racist for many reasons. One of which was using his leadership and influence to stoke anti-Asian sentiment. You're not debating this point, right? Whataboutism is one thing, but worse when paired with denialism. * "Politicians who willingly infected people with covid" - Does it bother you that politicians would downplay the safety of American citizens related to an infectious disease to suit their own political ends? Or is this is a criticism you only levy against your political rivals? Do you really want to compare scorecards on Trump vs. his political rivals on public health? * Ignoring that the vast majority of BLM events were peaceful, which superspreader events are you referring to? They were outside, in the summer, often mobile, with a large share of mask-wearing attendees. I don't see any evidence of any of these events becoming superspreader events.
  - tomytosian 5y ago
    you are the one doing whataboutism right now. I am just arguing that trump was never racist against asian and that he tried to do things and was deemed a racist as a result. I never said he did not downplay covid. everyone did including Sir Fauci and all the democrats.
zepto 5y ago
He did do that, but to be clear he was also called a racist for things like imposing travel restrictions with China early in the coronavirus pandemic. It’s hard to take seriously the claim that accusations of racism are always made carefully and never used as a cheap partisan attack.

nemothekid 5y ago

>because the guy who fought against it was deemed a racist for saying it The guy who was against it was a racist because he couldn't articulate anything other than "China bad" and his policies to address China were useless at best and harmful to America at worst. He only wanted to look tough against a made up enemy but refused to change anything at home. If he was actually serious about competing with China, we would have been talking about Trump's infrastructure bill and had a plan on how to ween us off Chinese high-tech manufacturing (which is the best in the world), but now 4 years later we are scrambling trying to figure out how we will build fabs (one part of the equation) at home. For all the crying about China, he did shockingly little in actually addressing the issue (like almost all the issues he cried about). Anyone who looks at out current situation and comes to the conclusion we need to bomb China is a racist in my eyes. They are only motivated a fear of a rising eastern power and have no motivation in actually investing stateside to improve American hegemony.

tomytosian 5y ago
I dont know why u talking about bombing china. China is obviously lying about the virus, is restricting access to information and is at the inception of the greatest disaster in recent history. meanwhile their gdp is almost back to two digit growth while some people are in the street, died and countries collapsed. they need to be held accountable. trump is right. to answer the rest of your comment:tsmc is building its factory in the US, mainly because of trump actions, trump also destroyed huawei, a company that never respected any patents and IPs and just cheated its way into market domination backed up by CCP money. in a few weeks he totally made this company unable to produce and sell its devices, he turned the trade balance claiming that china was having a better hand than usa (which was and still is true). I am asian. I have never heard one racist thing against asians from trump. However. Democrats and Journalists permanently think and say that Asians are one entity, corroborating the hive mind notion that they are all the same and have no complex thought. This is totally racist. Many countries in Asia such as Japan and Korea are also calling covid the China Virus. the world is more complex than the petty moves of trump haters and while the way he speaks can be too frank and rude he was never perceived as a racist in asia. I guess the problem is mostly with politically minded americans and europeans. and finally if criminals - released by democrats because of covid- and crazy people are beating asians in the street. I would rather look at the profile of the perpetrators and draw out conclusions. Most of the people were biden voters and Id argue than 90% of the people I saw commiting crime in NY on asians were voting AOC or BIDEN for sure. does it mean biden is racist?

trasz 5y ago

I find it somewhat surprising that people are still defending that loser.