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>"like our lead in technology" True, and I don't know how much longer this can last. As an example, the rise of TikTok has certainly taken me by surprise. I've

>"like our lead in technology" True, and I don't know how much longer this can last. As an example, the rise of TikTok has certainly taken me by surprise. I've always seen world-class social media apps as a Silicon-Valley thing, something that only the US managed to produce. But now, not so much.

mensetmanusman 5y ago
TikTok is Vine 2.0, surprised it didn’t happen in the west as well.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  I still don't understand why Vine went away. It seemed to be doing so well.
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    6s was the wrong choice for max length.
    - worker767424 5y ago
      A surprising number of consumer startups are the same as another product, but with different business logic. Just look at Bumble.
  - nemothekid 5y ago
    >I still don't understand why Vine went away. Twitter/Vine did not want to pay creators. I don't know the history on why YouTube/Twitch/TikTok figured it out and why Snap/Twitter/FB drag their feet with it. I remember there was a turning point where many large creators on Vine decided to move to Instagram/YouTube because it was easier to monetize.
worker767424 5y ago
TikTok's only interesting technology is its recommendation system, which I doubt is that different or innovative compared to Netflix or Youtube. Maybe they're better at moderation because it makes censorship easier?
- OnlineGladiator 5y ago
  > TikTok's only interesting technology is its recommendation system Come on, that's sorta like saying "Google's only interesting technology is its search algorithm" (I'm being a little loose here, but going back 20 years I'd say that's true). When it's the defining feature of your product, it's the only thing that matters and why it's the leader. Unless somebody can mimic TikTok's success, dismissing them seems arrogant. > which I doubt is that different or innovative compared to Netflix or Youtube Speaking from personal experience, Youtube has a horrible recommendation system, and Netflix is somewhere between okay and good.
tablespoon 5y ago
>> "like our lead in technology" > True, and I don't know how much longer this can last. Yeah, especially since many, many Americans seem to stupidly reassure themselves by wishfully thinking it's some kind of natural advantage they have (e.g. the Chinese only copy, etc.). IMHO, it's not too wrong to assume the PRC essentially has technical parity now, which should be pretty concerning to Americans because they also stupidly disposed of many of their other capabilities for short term business reasons.
rayiner 5y ago
It’s been a slow retreat. 15 years ago I was sitting around with a Juniper engineer mocking how Huawei had copied their router designs down to the English silk screening. Now, Huawei is making state of the art networking equipment with its own custom switch and router chips. Not only did Juniper move manufacturing from Walnut Creek to China years ago, some of its low end products are now white box Chinese designs. Taiwan recently overtook Intel in semiconductor manufacturing, another area where we used to be peerless. How long before China matches is on that front as well? Chinese industrial policy is kicking our ass. The Fortune 500 executives that kiss Xi’s ass know this (https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/560386-ceo-nike-is-a-brand-that-is-of-china-and-for-china https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/...). That’s why they’re so obsequious.

mensetmanusman 5y ago

TikTok is Vine 2.0, surprised it didn’t happen in the west as well.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
I still don't understand why Vine went away. It seemed to be doing so well.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  6s was the wrong choice for max length.
  - worker767424 5y ago
    A surprising number of consumer startups are the same as another product, but with different business logic. Just look at Bumble.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  >I still don't understand why Vine went away. Twitter/Vine did not want to pay creators. I don't know the history on why YouTube/Twitch/TikTok figured it out and why Snap/Twitter/FB drag their feet with it. I remember there was a turning point where many large creators on Vine decided to move to Instagram/YouTube because it was easier to monetize.

worker767424 5y ago

TikTok's only interesting technology is its recommendation system, which I doubt is that different or innovative compared to Netflix or Youtube. Maybe they're better at moderation because it makes censorship easier?

OnlineGladiator 5y ago
> TikTok's only interesting technology is its recommendation system Come on, that's sorta like saying "Google's only interesting technology is its search algorithm" (I'm being a little loose here, but going back 20 years I'd say that's true). When it's the defining feature of your product, it's the only thing that matters and why it's the leader. Unless somebody can mimic TikTok's success, dismissing them seems arrogant. > which I doubt is that different or innovative compared to Netflix or Youtube Speaking from personal experience, Youtube has a horrible recommendation system, and Netflix is somewhere between okay and good.

tablespoon 5y ago

>> "like our lead in technology" > True, and I don't know how much longer this can last. Yeah, especially since many, many Americans seem to stupidly reassure themselves by wishfully thinking it's some kind of natural advantage they have (e.g. the Chinese only copy, etc.). IMHO, it's not too wrong to assume the PRC essentially has technical parity now, which should be pretty concerning to Americans because they also stupidly disposed of many of their other capabilities for short term business reasons.

rayiner 5y ago

It’s been a slow retreat. 15 years ago I was sitting around with a Juniper engineer mocking how Huawei had copied their router designs down to the English silk screening. Now, Huawei is making state of the art networking equipment with its own custom switch and router chips. Not only did Juniper move manufacturing from Walnut Creek to China years ago, some of its low end products are now white box Chinese designs. Taiwan recently overtook Intel in semiconductor manufacturing, another area where we used to be peerless. How long before China matches is on that front as well? Chinese industrial policy is kicking our ass. The Fortune 500 executives that kiss Xi’s ass know this (https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/560386-ceo-nike-is-a-brand-that-is-of-china-and-for-china https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/...). That’s why they’re so obsequious.