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I care, it sounds interesting.

by vorpalhex 5y ago

dubdigidob 5y ago
That’s a shame because they’ll never tell their totally real story of being a corporate shill PI until they retire.
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  Please don't "dunk" on people. You won't get any free internet points for it and it makes the community a worse place.
  - _ekzk 5y ago
    Please don’t assume that I care about internet points and make opinionated statements. For all we know we need an internal resistance that doesn’t propagate the echo. My intentions were to point out the original comments lack of contribution just to imply he has some inside view on the PI industry but can’t speak on it until their eventual retirement. I was opinionated because I think PIs are scum and the throwaway was just roleplaying.
    - vorpalhex 5y ago
      > I think PIs are scum > For all we know we need an internal resistance that doesn’t propagate the echo. I think we are better off without your contributions if they amount to blindly insulting people you haven't met.
      - _ekzk 5y ago
        PI is an occupation not a people. Good on you ignoring the rest of my valid argument to ad hominem your way into making me a bad guy that should be ostracized.
        klyrs 5y ago
        Please familiarize yourself with the site guidelines. You've broken several in this thread, beginning with the shallow dismissal "nobody cares about your story."
        dubdigidob 5y ago
        I believe I’m only ignoring one guideline but then again I don’t think it matters. Why is everyone more concerned with scolding someone than partaking in discussion? I am under the impression this community might just be too sensitive for me and hasn’t quite matured enough to look beyond face values. The guidelines make that pretty clear. You have also “broken” a guideline by not assuming good faith in my argument assuming I’m here to actually dismiss his story. He already did that by prefacing that he wouldn’t disclose further until they retire. It was pointless drivel that felt like roleplaying because they didn’t contribute any anecdotal evidence to keep the discussion around the use of PIs to harass opponents.
        klyrs 5y ago
        replying to dubdigidob, > Why is everyone more concerned with scolding someone than partaking in discussion? The purpose of the guidelines is to establish an atmosphere of curious, genuine conversation. If somebody demonstrates dinterest in curious, genuine conversation through repeated violations of those guidelines, it comes time to inform (not scold) them of why their comments are getting flagged to death. I'm not interested in fighting with you about this topic. But I am interested in maintaining the vibe that you're currently harshing. You have a new account, so I have some hope that you might come around, rethink your approach to online conversation, and become a productive member of our community. If you're feeling anger or frustration, please reflect on how you might better engage with the community here -- if the answer you arrive at is that we're a bunch of mean doodie-heads, then that's fine, you shouldn't associate with mean doodie-heads.
        dubdigidob 5y ago
        This website is bunk, I had to wait 3+ hours to comment ANYWHERE. That alone is enough to not bother trying to actually use this site. Is that some form of shadow banning? Good riddance though for real, I see why you already assumed I’d leave pissed off at your community. This must be a common occurrence hence the “guidelines”. Lmao Try looking in a mirror and perhaps you’ll see those logical and passionate won’t be the ones willing to conform and sugar coat everything. You’re left with an echo chamber for fear of being moderated to the [dead]. I’m sure every community gets that and must be why the site guidelines already pre-defends the “turning into Reddit” notion. The parent commenter never came back for discussion after 8 hours yet my terrible comment sparked more discussion than his. Looks like I’m productive enough. You are just too preoccupied with my conduct and not my discussion. Your “vibe” was a negative one given the context. I’m sure it wasn’t any less harsh before I commented.
      - dogorman 5y ago
        PIs are stalkers for hire. dubdigidob is being blunt, but I think he's right. I don't want rapists chiming in to offer their perspective on stories about rape; nor do I welcome PIs chiming in with their opinions on stories about corporations using PIs to stalk and harass people.
        vorpalhex 5y ago
        I have a family member who just used a PI to get child support from someone hiding income illegally. PIs are used to catch cheating spouses, insider trading, theft and corporate espionage. That doesn't mean PIs or given practices are immune to criticism. However, blunt statements such as "PIs are stalkers for hire" are so sloppy as to be factually incorrect and useless, and comparing them to rapists belays naiveity and an agenda.
        dogorman 5y ago
        A stalker for hire who occasionally stalks somebody who's also a scumbag, if the money is right? Give me a break. Such lame defenses of the profession only serve to further damn it. > comparing them to rapists belays naiveity and an agenda. An agenda huh? I guess you mean it's personal to me? Well you're right; a former employer sicced such goons on me and one of them got nasty. That's my "agenda" pal; being a victim of this profession.
        dubdigidob 5y ago
        All of those examples could be handled in a way that doesn’t amount to assigning a human being to track and monitor another human being. Child support is also a civil matter that shouldn’t involve one party legally stalking the other party. What is the point of any governing body then? It’s enabling one system to slack off while normalizing a predatory profession that, just from my cursory Google search, rarely seems to be used for the betterment of society against large general opponents but rather for overreaching ethics and civil matters that surely could still function with a more consent-able alternative.

I care, it sounds interesting.

dubdigidob 5y ago

That’s a shame because they’ll never tell their totally real story of being a corporate shill PI until they retire.

vorpalhex 5y ago
Please don't "dunk" on people. You won't get any free internet points for it and it makes the community a worse place.
- _ekzk 5y ago
  Please don’t assume that I care about internet points and make opinionated statements. For all we know we need an internal resistance that doesn’t propagate the echo. My intentions were to point out the original comments lack of contribution just to imply he has some inside view on the PI industry but can’t speak on it until their eventual retirement. I was opinionated because I think PIs are scum and the throwaway was just roleplaying.
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    > I think PIs are scum > For all we know we need an internal resistance that doesn’t propagate the echo. I think we are better off without your contributions if they amount to blindly insulting people you haven't met.
    - _ekzk 5y ago
      PI is an occupation not a people. Good on you ignoring the rest of my valid argument to ad hominem your way into making me a bad guy that should be ostracized.
      - klyrs 5y ago
        Please familiarize yourself with the site guidelines. You've broken several in this thread, beginning with the shallow dismissal "nobody cares about your story."
        dubdigidob 5y ago
        I believe I’m only ignoring one guideline but then again I don’t think it matters. Why is everyone more concerned with scolding someone than partaking in discussion? I am under the impression this community might just be too sensitive for me and hasn’t quite matured enough to look beyond face values. The guidelines make that pretty clear. You have also “broken” a guideline by not assuming good faith in my argument assuming I’m here to actually dismiss his story. He already did that by prefacing that he wouldn’t disclose further until they retire. It was pointless drivel that felt like roleplaying because they didn’t contribute any anecdotal evidence to keep the discussion around the use of PIs to harass opponents.
        klyrs 5y ago
        replying to dubdigidob, > Why is everyone more concerned with scolding someone than partaking in discussion? The purpose of the guidelines is to establish an atmosphere of curious, genuine conversation. If somebody demonstrates dinterest in curious, genuine conversation through repeated violations of those guidelines, it comes time to inform (not scold) them of why their comments are getting flagged to death. I'm not interested in fighting with you about this topic. But I am interested in maintaining the vibe that you're currently harshing. You have a new account, so I have some hope that you might come around, rethink your approach to online conversation, and become a productive member of our community. If you're feeling anger or frustration, please reflect on how you might better engage with the community here -- if the answer you arrive at is that we're a bunch of mean doodie-heads, then that's fine, you shouldn't associate with mean doodie-heads.
        dubdigidob 5y ago
        This website is bunk, I had to wait 3+ hours to comment ANYWHERE. That alone is enough to not bother trying to actually use this site. Is that some form of shadow banning? Good riddance though for real, I see why you already assumed I’d leave pissed off at your community. This must be a common occurrence hence the “guidelines”. Lmao Try looking in a mirror and perhaps you’ll see those logical and passionate won’t be the ones willing to conform and sugar coat everything. You’re left with an echo chamber for fear of being moderated to the [dead]. I’m sure every community gets that and must be why the site guidelines already pre-defends the “turning into Reddit” notion. The parent commenter never came back for discussion after 8 hours yet my terrible comment sparked more discussion than his. Looks like I’m productive enough. You are just too preoccupied with my conduct and not my discussion. Your “vibe” was a negative one given the context. I’m sure it wasn’t any less harsh before I commented.
    - dogorman 5y ago
      PIs are stalkers for hire. dubdigidob is being blunt, but I think he's right. I don't want rapists chiming in to offer their perspective on stories about rape; nor do I welcome PIs chiming in with their opinions on stories about corporations using PIs to stalk and harass people.
      - vorpalhex 5y ago
        I have a family member who just used a PI to get child support from someone hiding income illegally. PIs are used to catch cheating spouses, insider trading, theft and corporate espionage. That doesn't mean PIs or given practices are immune to criticism. However, blunt statements such as "PIs are stalkers for hire" are so sloppy as to be factually incorrect and useless, and comparing them to rapists belays naiveity and an agenda.
        dogorman 5y ago
        A stalker for hire who occasionally stalks somebody who's also a scumbag, if the money is right? Give me a break. Such lame defenses of the profession only serve to further damn it. > comparing them to rapists belays naiveity and an agenda. An agenda huh? I guess you mean it's personal to me? Well you're right; a former employer sicced such goons on me and one of them got nasty. That's my "agenda" pal; being a victim of this profession.
        dubdigidob 5y ago
        All of those examples could be handled in a way that doesn’t amount to assigning a human being to track and monitor another human being. Child support is also a civil matter that shouldn’t involve one party legally stalking the other party. What is the point of any governing body then? It’s enabling one system to slack off while normalizing a predatory profession that, just from my cursory Google search, rarely seems to be used for the betterment of society against large general opponents but rather for overreaching ethics and civil matters that surely could still function with a more consent-able alternative.