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Should've gotten the Index instead, really. It works so much better and doesn't come with Facebook's walled garden.

by oauea 5y ago

wccrawford 5y ago
And at only 3.3x the price! Nobody is arguing that the Index isn't better (except for wireless-ness) but at 1/3 of the price, the Quest 2 is incredibly affordable and very, very nice. And since you can play all the same PC VR games as the Index, plus Oculus-specific games, plus standalone Quest games... It's very versatile. I have an OG Vive and just "upgraded" to the Quest 2 and it's hands-down better IMO. I've upgraded my Quest 2 with some hand straps and the elite head strap, so that brings the price closer to 2/3 of the Index, and I still prefer it thanks to the standalone games and the wireless PC link. Not listening to the whine of the lighthouses is another small bonus.
- oauea 5y ago
  > And since you can play all the same PC VR games as the Index, plus Oculus-specific games, plus standalone Quest games... It's very versatile. Indeed. Because Valve values openness while Oculus (Facebook) values money. That's why Valve lets you play SteamVR games on Oculus, but Oculus does not let you play them on SteamVR (community solutions exist, of course). This is pure evil.
  - aplummer 5y ago
    It’s not evil at all. Do you see how accessible the price of this thing is? There is trade offs. Also, there is official support for playing your steam games (wirelessly) now, so you’re not correct on that.
    - wccrawford 5y ago
      I think they were trying to say that playing games from the Oculus store on a Valve Index or HTC Vive isn't possible, but playing games bought on Steam on a Quest 2 is possible. It actually is one of the complaints I have about how Oculus does things, but since they basically ushered in this new era of VR, they pretty much had to have their own store and SDK. I can't fault them for not closing it, and nothing is stopping the developers from publishing on both.
      - shkkmo 5y ago
        > nothing is stopping the developers from publishing on both Nothing except for the exclusivity contracts that Oculus pushes...
        aplummer 5y ago
        You are describing all video game publishers, Nintendo, Microsoft, Epic, Sony. This is actually for indie developers, who can de-risk a project by taking the upfront money.
    - oauea 5y ago
      Why would I want to buy a second VR headset to play some games, when the one I have is already perfectly fine? Keep in mind that playing Oculus games on the Index works fine using third party software, it's Facebook trying to DRM the hardware. Do you also expect me to buy a Disney TV to watch Disney movies and a Marvel TV to watch Marvel movies? Or do you expect that all games, or movies, use the hardware you already own?
wrinkl3 5y ago
Would you also chastise someone for getting an iPhone because it comes with Apple's walled garden?
- Nullabillity 5y ago
  Yes?
- oauea 5y ago
  Yes. Although Apple's walled garden is slightly less evil as it actually serves some vague security purposes, instead of solely profit.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Yes, technically, kinda. Aside from being much more expensive the Index is also not wireless (at least not without an add-on?) and requires a (beefy) PC. Personally, if it weren't for the Facebook account requirement I'd probably opt for a Quest 2. As it is, I don't think VR is worth the investment of an Index to me so I'll stick with my second hand not-updated-since-before-Oct-2020 Rift because it is perfectly adequate for Beat Saber.
- oauea 5y ago
  Oculus requires the exact same beefiness of your PC as Index. If you're happy using the Oculus on-board processing, you might as well use a laptop from 10 years ago as your PC, it will have the same quality. If you actually want decent VR you need a beefy PC for both platforms. So that is a non-argument.
  - anotherman554 5y ago
    PC software for VR is not written to support 10 year old PCs and a 10 year old Laptop won't have the ports an Index needs. Oculus software is written to support the Snapdragon processor. So your post is not correct. It's not about which solution is more powerful, it's about what the software is targeting for minimum requirements.

Should've gotten the Index instead, really. It works so much better and doesn't come with Facebook's walled garden.

by oauea 5y ago

Should've gotten the Index instead, really. It works so much better and doesn't come with Facebook's walled garden.

And at only 3.3x the price! Nobody is arguing that the Index isn't better (except for wireless-ness) but at 1/3 of the price, the Quest 2 is incredibly affordable and very, very nice. And since you can play all the same PC VR games as the Index, plus Oculus-specific games, plus standalone Quest games... It's very versatile. I have an OG Vive and just "upgraded" to the Quest 2 and it's hands-down better IMO. I've upgraded my Quest 2 with some hand straps and the elite head strap, so that brings the price closer to 2/3 of the Index, and I still prefer it thanks to the standalone games and the wireless PC link. Not listening to the whine of the lighthouses is another small bonus.

oauea 5y ago
> And since you can play all the same PC VR games as the Index, plus Oculus-specific games, plus standalone Quest games... It's very versatile. Indeed. Because Valve values openness while Oculus (Facebook) values money. That's why Valve lets you play SteamVR games on Oculus, but Oculus does not let you play them on SteamVR (community solutions exist, of course). This is pure evil.
- aplummer 5y ago
  It’s not evil at all. Do you see how accessible the price of this thing is? There is trade offs. Also, there is official support for playing your steam games (wirelessly) now, so you’re not correct on that.
  - wccrawford 5y ago
    I think they were trying to say that playing games from the Oculus store on a Valve Index or HTC Vive isn't possible, but playing games bought on Steam on a Quest 2 is possible. It actually is one of the complaints I have about how Oculus does things, but since they basically ushered in this new era of VR, they pretty much had to have their own store and SDK. I can't fault them for not closing it, and nothing is stopping the developers from publishing on both.
    - shkkmo 5y ago
      > nothing is stopping the developers from publishing on both Nothing except for the exclusivity contracts that Oculus pushes...
      - aplummer 5y ago
        You are describing all video game publishers, Nintendo, Microsoft, Epic, Sony. This is actually for indie developers, who can de-risk a project by taking the upfront money.
  - oauea 5y ago
    Why would I want to buy a second VR headset to play some games, when the one I have is already perfectly fine? Keep in mind that playing Oculus games on the Index works fine using third party software, it's Facebook trying to DRM the hardware. Do you also expect me to buy a Disney TV to watch Disney movies and a Marvel TV to watch Marvel movies? Or do you expect that all games, or movies, use the hardware you already own?

wrinkl3 5y ago

Would you also chastise someone for getting an iPhone because it comes with Apple's walled garden?

Nullabillity 5y ago
Yes?
oauea 5y ago
Yes. Although Apple's walled garden is slightly less evil as it actually serves some vague security purposes, instead of solely profit.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

Yes, technically, kinda. Aside from being much more expensive the Index is also not wireless (at least not without an add-on?) and requires a (beefy) PC. Personally, if it weren't for the Facebook account requirement I'd probably opt for a Quest 2. As it is, I don't think VR is worth the investment of an Index to me so I'll stick with my second hand not-updated-since-before-Oct-2020 Rift because it is perfectly adequate for Beat Saber.

oauea 5y ago
Oculus requires the exact same beefiness of your PC as Index. If you're happy using the Oculus on-board processing, you might as well use a laptop from 10 years ago as your PC, it will have the same quality. If you actually want decent VR you need a beefy PC for both platforms. So that is a non-argument.
- anotherman554 5y ago
  PC software for VR is not written to support 10 year old PCs and a 10 year old Laptop won't have the ports an Index needs. Oculus software is written to support the Snapdragon processor. So your post is not correct. It's not about which solution is more powerful, it's about what the software is targeting for minimum requirements.