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Deckhouse: NoOps Kubernetes platform

22 points by artembugara 5y ago

yuppie_scum 5y ago
Why this vs the mature solution of kops?
- shurup 5y ago
  First of all, that's kinda apples and oranges. If kops is basically an installer, Deckhouse is much more a Kubernetes distribution. It's not just about deploying new clusters but about keeping them running all the way. Kops installs a "bare" cluster; Deckhouse gives you a set of integrated modules for monitoring, authentication, etc. — as much "out of the box" as you might need to run real applications in K8s. Another outcome is that when you upgrade the Kubernetes version in Deckhouse, it also makes all the relevant work with components and modules in use (they are also updated with compatibility issues in mind, thus everything "just works"). That's why it's marketed as NoOps: it aspires to automate all these routine operations [so you can focus on other exciting challenges ;)]. Deckhouse can also be installed on bare-metal servers, provides SLAs & support for those who need.
  - shurup 5y ago
    This diagram is also useful to see the difference: https://blog.flant.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/deckhouse-platform-components.png https://blog.flant.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/de...
mobiuscog 5y ago
NoOps should be a banned term. The second anything goes wrong (which it will), it absolutely requires Ops.
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- TeeWEE 5y ago
  Yes but you dont need to hire for it. Developers can do it, because Ops get easier.
  - xfitm3 5y ago
    I think this is a conflict of interest, ultimately. There should be separation of duties. You need guardrails in place, and you have to hire to manage these guardrails. In my experience development members know enough to be dangerous, and this can lead to misconfigurations / potential security incidents.
  - bradhe 5y ago
    Yeah but people read "No Ops" as "you don't need to do operations" not "you don't need to hire operations." You can try to fight that fight if you want but I think it's already come and gone.
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Andys 5y ago
I dislike this trend of "pay $$ to get to choose your upgrade windows"
dr_faustus 5y ago
A completely non-responsive marketing page. Haven’t seen that in a while.

22 points by artembugara 5y ago

yuppie_scum 5y ago

Why this vs the mature solution of kops?

shurup 5y ago
First of all, that's kinda apples and oranges. If kops is basically an installer, Deckhouse is much more a Kubernetes distribution. It's not just about deploying new clusters but about keeping them running all the way. Kops installs a "bare" cluster; Deckhouse gives you a set of integrated modules for monitoring, authentication, etc. — as much "out of the box" as you might need to run real applications in K8s. Another outcome is that when you upgrade the Kubernetes version in Deckhouse, it also makes all the relevant work with components and modules in use (they are also updated with compatibility issues in mind, thus everything "just works"). That's why it's marketed as NoOps: it aspires to automate all these routine operations [so you can focus on other exciting challenges ;)]. Deckhouse can also be installed on bare-metal servers, provides SLAs & support for those who need.
- shurup 5y ago
  This diagram is also useful to see the difference: https://blog.flant.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/deckhouse-platform-components.png https://blog.flant.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/de...

mobiuscog 5y ago

NoOps should be a banned term. The second anything goes wrong (which it will), it absolutely requires Ops.

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TeeWEE 5y ago
Yes but you dont need to hire for it. Developers can do it, because Ops get easier.
- xfitm3 5y ago
  I think this is a conflict of interest, ultimately. There should be separation of duties. You need guardrails in place, and you have to hire to manage these guardrails. In my experience development members know enough to be dangerous, and this can lead to misconfigurations / potential security incidents.
- bradhe 5y ago
  Yeah but people read "No Ops" as "you don't need to do operations" not "you don't need to hire operations." You can try to fight that fight if you want but I think it's already come and gone.
- deleted 5y ago
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Andys 5y ago

I dislike this trend of "pay $$ to get to choose your upgrade windows"

dr_faustus 5y ago

A completely non-responsive marketing page. Haven’t seen that in a while.