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When looking for a slack alternative, please primarily look at matrix. It's open source (not open core or source available) and based on open federation. And it
by ptman 5y ago
When looking for a slack alternative, please primarily look at matrix. It's open source (not open core or source available) and based on open federation. And it keeps improving at a nice rate.
- garmaine 5y agoSo is Mattermost. https://github.com/mattermost https://github.com/mattermost
- gefhfff 5y agoIn what ways? Are they going to implement federation or E2EE?
- garmaine 5y ago> It's open source (not open core or source available) Mattermost is fully open source. I pointed to the GitHub repos which contain the entire client and server systems.
- ptman 5y agoMattermost is open core. There are features that aren't available in the open source version and which you have to pay for https://mattermost.com/pricing-self-managed/ https://mattermost.com/pricing-self-managed/
- lucb1e 5y agoCan I make OpenSSL also disqualified for the open source title, requiring everyone to call it "open core", if I sell paid features on top of OpenSSL? I really don't see the difference between open core and open source if the "core" is a fully functional standalone product.
- vetinari 5y agoWill OpenSSL reject properly implemented features contributed by third parties, because you sell paid features on top of OpenSSL and said contributions happen to make your product redundant? That's the difference. Mattermost won't ever accept contributions, that reimplement features from their paid product. If you want to use such features, you would have to fork, and forced to keep the fork public, since it is AGPL.
- josephcsible 5y agoNo it isn't. It's open core. There's a bunch of features that aren't in the open source version, such as LDAP authentication and 2FA enforcement.
- theshrike79 5y agoMatrix the technology is pretty good, partly excellent. The clients though... whooo boy. Element is so bad that it hurts to use it. The worst part is that it doesn't have a singular major flaw, it has a hundred tiny issues that are just a bit wonky.
- mschuetz 5y agoMatrix/Element's UX is abysmal, it's not a viable alternative to anything. I continue to get 4 popups (two of them modal) every time I login, and I have to login every time I open it because it doesn't remember logins. And it happens not on just one system, but on two different browsers on two different PCs.
- ptman 5y agoIt's a matter of taste, but there are other clients than Element as well.
- theshrike79 5y agoThe only even close to being something I could let my non-techy friends or relatives use is FluffyPokemon or RainbowUnicorn or something like that. And even it's still missing features. Cinny (https://cinny.in https://cinny.in) is the first Matrix client that actually looks promising. They just plain stole Slack's UX and it's working. There's no need to be unique for the sake of being unique when it comes to UX.
- kitkat_new 5y agothis is not normal though
- goodpoint 5y agoPlease look at Briar or the XMPP ecosystem if you want something with better privacy and not controlled by some company.
- f1refly 5y agoMatrix is not community-driven, it's linked to and driven by some shady company rooted in the israeli intelligence sector. If you want real messaging freedom you should consider xmpp instead.