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How would you define 'fair'? I've a few examples, gathered from being alive and hearing what other people think for a few decades. 1. It's fair to punish someo
by ljm 5y ago
How would you define 'fair'? I've a few examples, gathered from being alive and hearing what other people think for a few decades.
1. It's fair to punish someone else if you let another off the hook
2. It's fair to treat someone more harshly if you don't like what they've done
3. It's fair to turn the other cheek because they're a friend
4. It's fair to treat someone differently because of where they came from or their skin colour
5. It's fair to give someone a pass because they did you a favour
6. It's fair to be unfair because you owe someone a favour
7. It's unfair to be a victim who doesn't get justice
8. It's unfair to be an innocent person who is prosecuted for someone else's crime
9. It's unfair to not get what you wait
10. It's fair to get what you want
You will find a variation of all of these examples across the world right now.
The point is, fairness is loaded with bias and therefore any algorithm that tries to deal with 'fairness' is going to inherit the bias of those who designed it.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoYou make really good points. Life is bizarre and human culture is extremely contradictory and difficult to quantify. And what's worse our definition of 'fair' maybe advancing just like culture is constantly advancing. African Americans may have been treated poorly by the algorithm back in the 1700s when they we're considered less than a full person by the legal system for example. And maybe in the future drug offenses may be considered not a big deal. They call the Constitution a living document. This algorithm may have to be a living algorithm. What if it was open source and constantly updated and reviewed to reach consensus? There would probably also have to be human appeal processes. I definitely think this is intriguing as a first-level sentencing determination though.
- ljm 5y ago> African Americans may have been treated poorly by the algorithm back in the 1700s Fucking hell, man.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago?
- fidesomnes 5y agoYou did not demonstrate enough navel gazing and bemoaning of original sin all non people of color are guilty of. If I knew were you worked I could have you fired.
- claylevering 5y ago...YIKES.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago?
- CyanBird 5y agoI completely fail to see what's the issue with what OP said, care to explain? It is completely accurate, algorithms are built by people whom live inmersed on their own temporary and geographically atomized cultures, just look at modern supposed ""unbiased"" algorithms used to ""prevent crime"", it is just racial biases baked in
- nickthemagicman 5y agoI am super confused as well. Lol. This website is really strange.
- ZephyrBlu 5y agoI suspect the "may have" is what set people off.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago