4 ms·

There's a lot of evidence about what worked what didn't work. Dozens of countries and well organized societies responded well to the pandemic.

by neves 5y ago

mariodiana 5y ago
I remember reading that the deaths in countries corresponded pretty tightly with obesity levels in the population. If that's true, that throws lots of "evidence" right out the window. Edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-obesity/obesity-a-driving-factor-in-covid-19-deaths-global-report-finds-idUSKBN2AW1X0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-obesit...
- sharken 5y ago
  This BBC story speculates that Delta became the main variant in part due to the cold weather. But I'm not sure any one factor can be singled out. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57489740 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57489740
  - mariodiana 5y ago
    I saw a doctor on YouTube (just a private guy with his own channel) apply this same reasoning to Florida. Right now is Florida's "winter": meaning, people tend to stay indoors with the windows closed (to avoid the oppressive heat of the July and August).
spookthesunset 5y ago
> There's a lot of evidence about what worked what didn't work If that was true why can I take the population adjusted graphs for any interesting statistic, overlay several countries or states, and see the shape of them all is basically the same? I would assert that for any of these non-pharmaceutical interventions to have been worthwhile the effect on such charts should be absolutely noticeable to any layman on the street. If you need PhD level math to tell a country who "did it right" apart from a country who "did it wrong"... it probably means that it wasn't worth "doing right".
- rtpg 5y ago
  That's just not true? there have of course been outbreaks in many countries so the graphs _look similar_, but usually at totally different scales. Did you forget about the half-million dead in the richest country in the world? That didn't not happen, and is extremely different from other places.
  - Wolfenstein98k 5y ago
    Adjust for population and the nature of the country (ie values freedom highly), and then testing rates, and you'll see it's not as unique as you think. Many other countries had huge death rates but didn't test much before and don't test the dead, unlike the States. Then control for age and obesity, the two factors that make a population most vulnerable.
- neves 5y ago
  That is true and you are lying. Please show me a chart where competent governments like NZ, Japan, Australia, China and Indonesia are somewhat similar to incompetent ones like Brazil, USA or South Africa.
Wolfenstein98k 5y ago
This is a myth. There aren't any (which are open in their figures and policies) that have done consistently well, with significant population. Everyone had bad spikes and changes in circumstances eventually. The US did uniquely badly in the first wave relative to Europe, and their fortunes reversed in the second wave. Japan and Taiwan did great up front and more poorly later on. It's not over yet, don't count anyone in or out.

There's a lot of evidence about what worked what didn't work. Dozens of countries and well organized societies responded well to the pandemic.

by neves 5y ago

There's a lot of evidence about what worked what didn't work. Dozens of countries and well organized societies responded well to the pandemic.

mariodiana 5y ago

I remember reading that the deaths in countries corresponded pretty tightly with obesity levels in the population. If that's true, that throws lots of "evidence" right out the window. Edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-obesity/obesity-a-driving-factor-in-covid-19-deaths-global-report-finds-idUSKBN2AW1X0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-obesit...

sharken 5y ago
This BBC story speculates that Delta became the main variant in part due to the cold weather. But I'm not sure any one factor can be singled out. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57489740 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57489740
- mariodiana 5y ago
  I saw a doctor on YouTube (just a private guy with his own channel) apply this same reasoning to Florida. Right now is Florida's "winter": meaning, people tend to stay indoors with the windows closed (to avoid the oppressive heat of the July and August).

spookthesunset 5y ago

> There's a lot of evidence about what worked what didn't work If that was true why can I take the population adjusted graphs for any interesting statistic, overlay several countries or states, and see the shape of them all is basically the same? I would assert that for any of these non-pharmaceutical interventions to have been worthwhile the effect on such charts should be absolutely noticeable to any layman on the street. If you need PhD level math to tell a country who "did it right" apart from a country who "did it wrong"... it probably means that it wasn't worth "doing right".

rtpg 5y ago
That's just not true? there have of course been outbreaks in many countries so the graphs _look similar_, but usually at totally different scales. Did you forget about the half-million dead in the richest country in the world? That didn't not happen, and is extremely different from other places.
- Wolfenstein98k 5y ago
  Adjust for population and the nature of the country (ie values freedom highly), and then testing rates, and you'll see it's not as unique as you think. Many other countries had huge death rates but didn't test much before and don't test the dead, unlike the States. Then control for age and obesity, the two factors that make a population most vulnerable.
neves 5y ago
That is true and you are lying. Please show me a chart where competent governments like NZ, Japan, Australia, China and Indonesia are somewhat similar to incompetent ones like Brazil, USA or South Africa.

Wolfenstein98k 5y ago

This is a myth. There aren't any (which are open in their figures and policies) that have done consistently well, with significant population. Everyone had bad spikes and changes in circumstances eventually. The US did uniquely badly in the first wave relative to Europe, and their fortunes reversed in the second wave. Japan and Taiwan did great up front and more poorly later on. It's not over yet, don't count anyone in or out.