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For vaccinated people covid is not at all like the actual flu, it is very much a cold at worst. That is the kind of disease I and the poster above me were refer

by ls612 5y ago

For vaccinated people covid is not at all like the actual flu, it is very much a cold at worst. That is the kind of disease I and the poster above me were referencing

bee_rider 5y ago
For unvaccinated people it can be quite a bit worse than the flu. The degree of empathy afforded those folks seems to be a subject of active debate I guess...
- moron4hire 5y ago
  When this all started, there was a blase attitude towards obese people being at higher risk for severe cases from a lot of people. There was a lot of argument about whether being obese was a "choice", worth ignoring the class of people as it being "their own fault". Now, whatever you think about the obesity issue, I think we can definitely agree that there is no way 40% of the US adult population have some kind of complications preventing then from getting vaccinated. For the vast majority of people, not getting vaccinated is definitely a choice they made, and one that can easily be corrected. And let's be real, here. We all know who these people are. They're the same people who bitched about wearing masks and not being able to go get a haircut at their immediate convenience. They voted for Trump and they stormed the capital, then tried to call it a tourist visit. So no, I really don't have a lot of empathy for them, considering how little was afforded to me and my family.
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    I agree that there are an awful lot of really unsympathetic people who haven't gotten vaccinated, but that seems like an unfortunate side-issue. We can ignore them all and say: sure, but there are still people who have compromised immune systems, etc, so we should try to minimize the spread for them (of course, people who have really compromised immune systems are also used to avoiding situations where they can get sick I guess, so this is a team project). Even if the majority of people who aren't vaccinated are annoying, the existence of good people is a sufficient condition to be careful. For me, this doesn't necessarily mean totally isolating, though -- just things like wearing a mask in stores, dining outside when I want to go to a restaurant, etc.
- ls612 5y ago
  The good news for them is that it’s easier than ever for them to change their status
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    Other than people with compromised immune systems, or people who are trying not to spread the virus to small children for whom the vaccine isn't approved yet. I'm all for being annoyed people who could get the vaccine but decided not to, but we shouldn't throw the actual babies out with the proverbial bathwater, right?
    - moron4hire 5y ago
      We're not talking about literally killing them. We're talking about leaving them to their own devices. They can get vaccinated at any time. Why should the rest of us be locked down, now that we have effectively ended the overrun of hospitals? Wasn't that what this was all about? Who cares if people get the coronavirus? All that matters is not developing severe SARS-Cov-2.
      - bee_rider 5y ago
        What about my posts has given you the impression that I care about the people who could get vaccinated but haven't? I've repeatedly expressed my annoyance there. However, we should do our part to minimize spread at least until kids can get the vaccine. In particular, it seems to be the case that the Delta variant can spread from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated one, so if there's widespread infection people could get it, then give it to their kids. Anyway, all I'm doing is sticking to restaurants that have outdoor seating, wearing my mask in stores, and keeping distant from strangers on the sidewalk, so it is pretty relaxed compared to the height of the non-vaccinated pandemic.

by ls612 5y ago

For vaccinated people covid is not at all like the actual flu, it is very much a cold at worst. That is the kind of disease I and the poster above me were referencing

bee_rider 5y ago

For unvaccinated people it can be quite a bit worse than the flu. The degree of empathy afforded those folks seems to be a subject of active debate I guess...

moron4hire 5y ago
When this all started, there was a blase attitude towards obese people being at higher risk for severe cases from a lot of people. There was a lot of argument about whether being obese was a "choice", worth ignoring the class of people as it being "their own fault". Now, whatever you think about the obesity issue, I think we can definitely agree that there is no way 40% of the US adult population have some kind of complications preventing then from getting vaccinated. For the vast majority of people, not getting vaccinated is definitely a choice they made, and one that can easily be corrected. And let's be real, here. We all know who these people are. They're the same people who bitched about wearing masks and not being able to go get a haircut at their immediate convenience. They voted for Trump and they stormed the capital, then tried to call it a tourist visit. So no, I really don't have a lot of empathy for them, considering how little was afforded to me and my family.
- bee_rider 5y ago
  I agree that there are an awful lot of really unsympathetic people who haven't gotten vaccinated, but that seems like an unfortunate side-issue. We can ignore them all and say: sure, but there are still people who have compromised immune systems, etc, so we should try to minimize the spread for them (of course, people who have really compromised immune systems are also used to avoiding situations where they can get sick I guess, so this is a team project). Even if the majority of people who aren't vaccinated are annoying, the existence of good people is a sufficient condition to be careful. For me, this doesn't necessarily mean totally isolating, though -- just things like wearing a mask in stores, dining outside when I want to go to a restaurant, etc.
ls612 5y ago
The good news for them is that it’s easier than ever for them to change their status
- bee_rider 5y ago
  Other than people with compromised immune systems, or people who are trying not to spread the virus to small children for whom the vaccine isn't approved yet. I'm all for being annoyed people who could get the vaccine but decided not to, but we shouldn't throw the actual babies out with the proverbial bathwater, right?
  - moron4hire 5y ago
    We're not talking about literally killing them. We're talking about leaving them to their own devices. They can get vaccinated at any time. Why should the rest of us be locked down, now that we have effectively ended the overrun of hospitals? Wasn't that what this was all about? Who cares if people get the coronavirus? All that matters is not developing severe SARS-Cov-2.
    - bee_rider 5y ago
      What about my posts has given you the impression that I care about the people who could get vaccinated but haven't? I've repeatedly expressed my annoyance there. However, we should do our part to minimize spread at least until kids can get the vaccine. In particular, it seems to be the case that the Delta variant can spread from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated one, so if there's widespread infection people could get it, then give it to their kids. Anyway, all I'm doing is sticking to restaurants that have outdoor seating, wearing my mask in stores, and keeping distant from strangers on the sidewalk, so it is pretty relaxed compared to the height of the non-vaccinated pandemic.