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Last time had a mac book (2015) the experience was terrible. The wifi would drop every few hours, it was such a painful experience, it even froze on me during a

Last time had a mac book (2015) the experience was terrible. The wifi would drop every few hours, it was such a painful experience, it even froze on me during a national conference presentation which was hell of embarrasing. This was after years of seeing comments like this and deciding I wanted to see whether macos really was unix but better. In my experience it wasn't. So finally, the problem with personal experience is it's just that. Vast numbers of people use linux everyday without issues. And...apparently, numbers of people use macos everyday (and wifi doesn't cut out every two hours??? after my experience it's hard to believe but idk, people on the internet say it's true, right)

sudopluto 5y ago
try it not on a macbook, which are known for having hardware compat issues: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux
handrous 5y ago
Macs have problems. My current one (an M1 air) requires me to switch networks, or disable-then-enable, wifi, to get it working if the laptop is on battery and goes into any level of sleep. ... but that's the only problem with it. And it's perfectly consistent, both the problem and the fix, so fairly easy to live with. It doesn't do any number of little weird things I used to tolerate without thinking much of it, in my Win + Linux years (I was fairly late to the Mac train). Some models have definitely been complete duds, though, that's absolutely true. Frankly it annoys me that even when they fuck up, everyone else is so far behind that I don't realistically have options to switch to that won't amount to cutting off my nose to spite my face. As happened when I tried to cheap out and switch back to Linux this time. Yet again. :-/
- wayneftw 5y ago
  > …but that's the only problem with it. I doubt it. In your first post, you said you have a work losing crash once a year on your Mac. Sounds like a problem to me. (That’s never happened to me once on my Linux or Windows desktops.) You also had to build another machine just so you can play games and try out Linux. That you can’t just play games under macOS sounds like a problem too. I’m also sure that you’ve had problems just like everybody else has had with Macs, from updates that break software and services that you’ve installed. My Macs have been broken numerous times by this bullshit whereas my Linux and Windows machines just keep trucking along like they’re supposed to.
  - handrous 5y ago
    > I doubt it. In your first post, you said you have a work losing crash once a year on your Mac. Sounds like a problem to me. (That’s never happened to me once on my Linux or Windows desktops.) I didn't write that. Quoting myself: > I doubt I have a work-losing crash on my Macs more than once a year, if that. I was being conservative in my claims but did not write that I see a crash a year. I'm pretty sure I could count the total crashes I've seen in macOS/OSX on a half-dozen machines (work and personal) in ~10 years I've been using it, on one hand without using all the fingers. Three, maybe? Two? It's extremely uncommon. I don't remember when the last time was. It's 100% for-sure under once a year. Meanwhile, how... have you never, ever had that happen on a Linux or Windows desktop? X has never crashed? Windows has never crashed? How long have you been using them? I'd say I've had hundreds of crashes of the OS or of the GUI desktop system (may as well be the same thing, on a desktop machine) in ~26 years of using Windows and ~21 years of Linux, across perhaps 40 desktops and laptops, personal and work-provided. Granted they're way less common now on Windows than they used to be, especially pre-WinXP (about the same on Linux as they've always been, though). > You also had to build another machine just so you can play games and try out Linux. That you can’t just play games under macOS sounds like a problem too. I didn't need to do it to try out Linux. I was trying to cheap out and use the same machine for gaming and for work, ideally without dual-booting, so Windows wasn't an option (for the work part, that is). I should have just bitten the bullet and shelled out for another Mac to begin with, but I thought I'd give Linux (yet) another shot. I was a mostly-Linux user for most desktop/laptop/workstation purposes (except gaming) for most of the 2000-2010 decade, so it's not unfamiliar territory for me. > I’m also sure that you’ve had problems just like everybody else has had with Macs, from updates that break software and services that you’ve installed. My Macs have been broken numerous times by this bullshit whereas my Linux and Windows machines just keep trucking along like they’re supposed to. I've had to run a trivially-googlable one-off command to fix homebrew permissions a couple times after OS upgrades. I think it broke badly on an update, requiring more intervention, exactly once, years ago. But the system was still fine, only Homebrew had trouble, and in the worst case it's really easy to just blow it (homebrew, that is) away and start over (which IIRC I've never had to resort to, though). Dropping 32-bit support sucked. Macs were finally kinda, sorta, almost usable as gaming machines. Not everything was available, but the library had grown large enough that there was tons to play. All wiped out at once. Oh well, all my Macs have always had embedded graphics so I couldn't play anything fancier than Kerbal Space Program or Minecraft or most Unity-engine games, anyway, so it's not like I wasn't still going to need a separate box for that if I really wanted to scratch the PC gaming itch. Macs do have problems (ugh, those first-gen butterfly keyboards...) but I've yet to see them be bad enough that I wouldn't still be making things a lot harder on myself by going back to Linux for work of any sort, and if I'm just gaming on something it may as well run Windows (which is unsuitable for any work I do or want to do, for a ton of reasons).

sudopluto 5y ago

try it not on a macbook, which are known for having hardware compat issues: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux

handrous 5y ago

Macs have problems. My current one (an M1 air) requires me to switch networks, or disable-then-enable, wifi, to get it working if the laptop is on battery and goes into any level of sleep. ... but that's the only problem with it. And it's perfectly consistent, both the problem and the fix, so fairly easy to live with. It doesn't do any number of little weird things I used to tolerate without thinking much of it, in my Win + Linux years (I was fairly late to the Mac train). Some models have definitely been complete duds, though, that's absolutely true. Frankly it annoys me that even when they fuck up, everyone else is so far behind that I don't realistically have options to switch to that won't amount to cutting off my nose to spite my face. As happened when I tried to cheap out and switch back to Linux this time. Yet again. :-/

wayneftw 5y ago
> …but that's the only problem with it. I doubt it. In your first post, you said you have a work losing crash once a year on your Mac. Sounds like a problem to me. (That’s never happened to me once on my Linux or Windows desktops.) You also had to build another machine just so you can play games and try out Linux. That you can’t just play games under macOS sounds like a problem too. I’m also sure that you’ve had problems just like everybody else has had with Macs, from updates that break software and services that you’ve installed. My Macs have been broken numerous times by this bullshit whereas my Linux and Windows machines just keep trucking along like they’re supposed to.
- handrous 5y ago
  > I doubt it. In your first post, you said you have a work losing crash once a year on your Mac. Sounds like a problem to me. (That’s never happened to me once on my Linux or Windows desktops.) I didn't write that. Quoting myself: > I doubt I have a work-losing crash on my Macs more than once a year, if that. I was being conservative in my claims but did not write that I see a crash a year. I'm pretty sure I could count the total crashes I've seen in macOS/OSX on a half-dozen machines (work and personal) in ~10 years I've been using it, on one hand without using all the fingers. Three, maybe? Two? It's extremely uncommon. I don't remember when the last time was. It's 100% for-sure under once a year. Meanwhile, how... have you never, ever had that happen on a Linux or Windows desktop? X has never crashed? Windows has never crashed? How long have you been using them? I'd say I've had hundreds of crashes of the OS or of the GUI desktop system (may as well be the same thing, on a desktop machine) in ~26 years of using Windows and ~21 years of Linux, across perhaps 40 desktops and laptops, personal and work-provided. Granted they're way less common now on Windows than they used to be, especially pre-WinXP (about the same on Linux as they've always been, though). > You also had to build another machine just so you can play games and try out Linux. That you can’t just play games under macOS sounds like a problem too. I didn't need to do it to try out Linux. I was trying to cheap out and use the same machine for gaming and for work, ideally without dual-booting, so Windows wasn't an option (for the work part, that is). I should have just bitten the bullet and shelled out for another Mac to begin with, but I thought I'd give Linux (yet) another shot. I was a mostly-Linux user for most desktop/laptop/workstation purposes (except gaming) for most of the 2000-2010 decade, so it's not unfamiliar territory for me. > I’m also sure that you’ve had problems just like everybody else has had with Macs, from updates that break software and services that you’ve installed. My Macs have been broken numerous times by this bullshit whereas my Linux and Windows machines just keep trucking along like they’re supposed to. I've had to run a trivially-googlable one-off command to fix homebrew permissions a couple times after OS upgrades. I think it broke badly on an update, requiring more intervention, exactly once, years ago. But the system was still fine, only Homebrew had trouble, and in the worst case it's really easy to just blow it (homebrew, that is) away and start over (which IIRC I've never had to resort to, though). Dropping 32-bit support sucked. Macs were finally kinda, sorta, almost usable as gaming machines. Not everything was available, but the library had grown large enough that there was tons to play. All wiped out at once. Oh well, all my Macs have always had embedded graphics so I couldn't play anything fancier than Kerbal Space Program or Minecraft or most Unity-engine games, anyway, so it's not like I wasn't still going to need a separate box for that if I really wanted to scratch the PC gaming itch. Macs do have problems (ugh, those first-gen butterfly keyboards...) but I've yet to see them be bad enough that I wouldn't still be making things a lot harder on myself by going back to Linux for work of any sort, and if I'm just gaming on something it may as well run Windows (which is unsuitable for any work I do or want to do, for a ton of reasons).