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Isn’t it standard practice to set isolate if one has any highly contagious disease? Like the actual flu? Maybe it’s not a law but it sure is a sensical cultural

by mint2 5y ago

Isn’t it standard practice to set isolate if one has any highly contagious disease? Like the actual flu? Maybe it’s not a law but it sure is a sensical cultural norm and is just the polite thing to do as well.

ls612 5y ago
Not for 10-14 days!! To the extent most people care they either stay home until they feel better or they try to power through it.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  If you have actual flu then it wouldn't be uncommon to be ill for that long
  - ls612 5y ago
    For vaccinated people covid is not at all like the actual flu, it is very much a cold at worst. That is the kind of disease I and the poster above me were referencing
    - bee_rider 5y ago
      For unvaccinated people it can be quite a bit worse than the flu. The degree of empathy afforded those folks seems to be a subject of active debate I guess...
      - moron4hire 5y ago
        When this all started, there was a blase attitude towards obese people being at higher risk for severe cases from a lot of people. There was a lot of argument about whether being obese was a "choice", worth ignoring the class of people as it being "their own fault". Now, whatever you think about the obesity issue, I think we can definitely agree that there is no way 40% of the US adult population have some kind of complications preventing then from getting vaccinated. For the vast majority of people, not getting vaccinated is definitely a choice they made, and one that can easily be corrected. And let's be real, here. We all know who these people are. They're the same people who bitched about wearing masks and not being able to go get a haircut at their immediate convenience. They voted for Trump and they stormed the capital, then tried to call it a tourist visit. So no, I really don't have a lot of empathy for them, considering how little was afforded to me and my family.
        bee_rider 5y ago
        I agree that there are an awful lot of really unsympathetic people who haven't gotten vaccinated, but that seems like an unfortunate side-issue. We can ignore them all and say: sure, but there are still people who have compromised immune systems, etc, so we should try to minimize the spread for them (of course, people who have really compromised immune systems are also used to avoiding situations where they can get sick I guess, so this is a team project). Even if the majority of people who aren't vaccinated are annoying, the existence of good people is a sufficient condition to be careful. For me, this doesn't necessarily mean totally isolating, though -- just things like wearing a mask in stores, dining outside when I want to go to a restaurant, etc.
      - ls612 5y ago
        The good news for them is that it’s easier than ever for them to change their status
        bee_rider 5y ago
        Other than people with compromised immune systems, or people who are trying not to spread the virus to small children for whom the vaccine isn't approved yet. I'm all for being annoyed people who could get the vaccine but decided not to, but we shouldn't throw the actual babies out with the proverbial bathwater, right?
        moron4hire 5y ago
        We're not talking about literally killing them. We're talking about leaving them to their own devices. They can get vaccinated at any time. Why should the rest of us be locked down, now that we have effectively ended the overrun of hospitals? Wasn't that what this was all about? Who cares if people get the coronavirus? All that matters is not developing severe SARS-Cov-2.
        bee_rider 5y ago
        What about my posts has given you the impression that I care about the people who could get vaccinated but haven't? I've repeatedly expressed my annoyance there. However, we should do our part to minimize spread at least until kids can get the vaccine. In particular, it seems to be the case that the Delta variant can spread from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated one, so if there's widespread infection people could get it, then give it to their kids. Anyway, all I'm doing is sticking to restaurants that have outdoor seating, wearing my mask in stores, and keeping distant from strangers on the sidewalk, so it is pretty relaxed compared to the height of the non-vaccinated pandemic.
dahfizz 5y ago
> Maybe it’s not a law but it sure is a sensical cultural norm and is just the polite thing to do as well. OP is clearly talking about Alberta changing the laws about self-isolation. At some point, we are going to have to transition to using the same 'cultural norm' framework in dealing with Covid that we do with the flu.
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  Alternatively we could take this as a chance to re-frame some of the dysfunctional pre-existing cultural norms around respiratory infection. Especially the widespread notion that only wimps and slackers use sick days.
- moistly 5y ago
  > At some point, we are going to have to transition to using the same 'cultural norm' framework in dealing with Covid that we do with the flu. Or we could do much better and transition to the Asian cultural norm and wear a g.d. mask when sick, and preferentially stay t.f. home when ill. Spreading disease is a stupid, stupid norm in our culture.
heavyset_go 5y ago
At least where I've lived, no, the standard practice is to "work through" the illness and give it to everyone you come in contact with while talking about how it's no big deal because your immune system is strong and you aren't a pussy.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  The UK has, or had a strong culture of "it's just a cold, I'm actually fine, I'm Ok to work today, really". I am hoping that this bad habit has died unmourned during the COVID pandemic. I have no intention of of commuting to an office when I have a cold, and every intention of telling others who have one to go home already.
frumper 5y ago
Some kids NEVER miss a day of school. I've known many people proud of that. I've seen that attitude in adults as well.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  My school actually used to give out awards for it, which always used to annoy me as I generally had 100% attendance excepting 1 or 2 days off for illness each year.

by mint2 5y ago

ls612 5y ago

Not for 10-14 days!! To the extent most people care they either stay home until they feel better or they try to power through it.

nicoburns 5y ago
If you have actual flu then it wouldn't be uncommon to be ill for that long
- ls612 5y ago
  For vaccinated people covid is not at all like the actual flu, it is very much a cold at worst. That is the kind of disease I and the poster above me were referencing
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    For unvaccinated people it can be quite a bit worse than the flu. The degree of empathy afforded those folks seems to be a subject of active debate I guess...
    - moron4hire 5y ago
      When this all started, there was a blase attitude towards obese people being at higher risk for severe cases from a lot of people. There was a lot of argument about whether being obese was a "choice", worth ignoring the class of people as it being "their own fault". Now, whatever you think about the obesity issue, I think we can definitely agree that there is no way 40% of the US adult population have some kind of complications preventing then from getting vaccinated. For the vast majority of people, not getting vaccinated is definitely a choice they made, and one that can easily be corrected. And let's be real, here. We all know who these people are. They're the same people who bitched about wearing masks and not being able to go get a haircut at their immediate convenience. They voted for Trump and they stormed the capital, then tried to call it a tourist visit. So no, I really don't have a lot of empathy for them, considering how little was afforded to me and my family.
      - bee_rider 5y ago
        I agree that there are an awful lot of really unsympathetic people who haven't gotten vaccinated, but that seems like an unfortunate side-issue. We can ignore them all and say: sure, but there are still people who have compromised immune systems, etc, so we should try to minimize the spread for them (of course, people who have really compromised immune systems are also used to avoiding situations where they can get sick I guess, so this is a team project). Even if the majority of people who aren't vaccinated are annoying, the existence of good people is a sufficient condition to be careful. For me, this doesn't necessarily mean totally isolating, though -- just things like wearing a mask in stores, dining outside when I want to go to a restaurant, etc.
    - ls612 5y ago
      The good news for them is that it’s easier than ever for them to change their status
      - bee_rider 5y ago
        Other than people with compromised immune systems, or people who are trying not to spread the virus to small children for whom the vaccine isn't approved yet. I'm all for being annoyed people who could get the vaccine but decided not to, but we shouldn't throw the actual babies out with the proverbial bathwater, right?
        moron4hire 5y ago
        We're not talking about literally killing them. We're talking about leaving them to their own devices. They can get vaccinated at any time. Why should the rest of us be locked down, now that we have effectively ended the overrun of hospitals? Wasn't that what this was all about? Who cares if people get the coronavirus? All that matters is not developing severe SARS-Cov-2.
        bee_rider 5y ago
        What about my posts has given you the impression that I care about the people who could get vaccinated but haven't? I've repeatedly expressed my annoyance there. However, we should do our part to minimize spread at least until kids can get the vaccine. In particular, it seems to be the case that the Delta variant can spread from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated one, so if there's widespread infection people could get it, then give it to their kids. Anyway, all I'm doing is sticking to restaurants that have outdoor seating, wearing my mask in stores, and keeping distant from strangers on the sidewalk, so it is pretty relaxed compared to the height of the non-vaccinated pandemic.

dahfizz 5y ago

> Maybe it’s not a law but it sure is a sensical cultural norm and is just the polite thing to do as well. OP is clearly talking about Alberta changing the laws about self-isolation. At some point, we are going to have to transition to using the same 'cultural norm' framework in dealing with Covid that we do with the flu.

dcolkitt 5y ago
Alternatively we could take this as a chance to re-frame some of the dysfunctional pre-existing cultural norms around respiratory infection. Especially the widespread notion that only wimps and slackers use sick days.
moistly 5y ago
> At some point, we are going to have to transition to using the same 'cultural norm' framework in dealing with Covid that we do with the flu. Or we could do much better and transition to the Asian cultural norm and wear a g.d. mask when sick, and preferentially stay t.f. home when ill. Spreading disease is a stupid, stupid norm in our culture.

heavyset_go 5y ago

At least where I've lived, no, the standard practice is to "work through" the illness and give it to everyone you come in contact with while talking about how it's no big deal because your immune system is strong and you aren't a pussy.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
The UK has, or had a strong culture of "it's just a cold, I'm actually fine, I'm Ok to work today, really". I am hoping that this bad habit has died unmourned during the COVID pandemic. I have no intention of of commuting to an office when I have a cold, and every intention of telling others who have one to go home already.

frumper 5y ago

Some kids NEVER miss a day of school. I've known many people proud of that. I've seen that attitude in adults as well.

nicoburns 5y ago
My school actually used to give out awards for it, which always used to annoy me as I generally had 100% attendance excepting 1 or 2 days off for illness each year.