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Completely agreed. Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway? Sounds absurd when you put it in proper terms, that is someone

Completely agreed. Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway? Sounds absurd when you put it in proper terms, that is someone else taking control over your computer.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway? No idea. Who cares if some random guy cheats really? It's nothing compared to losing our computing freedom. Actual important stuff that matters. Same fundamental issue as DRM which nearly everyone agrees is bad. Our computers are ours and game companies just need to deal with it. If people are gonna cheat, then so be it.
- PUSH_AX 5y ago
  You have the freedom to not install it.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Who cares if some random guy cheats really? The kind of people who care enough to spend money on an online game. > It's nothing compared to losing our computing freedom. Then don't play online games with anti-cheat. Freedom doesn't mean your decisions don't have consequences—just you have the freedom to choose between the privacy of not submitting to an anti-doping monitoring regime or participating in certain competitive sports. > Our computers are ours and game companies just need to deal with it. If people are gonna cheat, then so be it. Game companies online services are theirs, and your just going to need to deal with it. If firms are going to require anti-cheat, then that's the cost of playing online. You have the freedom to not participate.
- DynamicStatic 5y ago
  Don't wanna have anti cheats installed? Don't play (online) games, noone is forcing you, for me I'm really happy i have the option on Linux in the future.
zaarn 5y ago
From the same place that real-life competitions tend to have rules about cheating that are enforced. Why do people think that they get a free pass because they can't see the opponent face to face? If you want to play with friends, plenty of multiplayer games offer that without anticheat (Arma lets you even uninstall the anti-cheat and play on anti-cheat disabled servers).
- Macha 5y ago
  Does my local basketball competition requiring all competitors to submit negative doping tests before competing? Do they get to monitor me for 24 hours before the game? Because that's the level of seriousness of most gaming and the proportionality of using a rootkit to prevent cheating. Sure, the Olympic athletes (or I guess in this analogy, eSports pros competing online) get the full "we're going to make very sure you're not cheating approach" but "my local basketball league" or "unranked ladder" doesn't justify these measures being routine
  - zaarn 5y ago
    But if you play online with strangers, you're not really participating in a local basketball competition are you?
    - Macha 5y ago
      Why? Do I get to pick the people on the opposing team in the local basketball competition? I didn't specify a local club for a reason. Just because it's some competition organisers rather than a matchmaking algorithm doesn't change my perspective.
  - rasz 5y ago
    Nintendo says yes https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/07/zelda_breath_of_the_wild_hacker_arrested_for_selling_modified_save_data https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/07/zelda_breath_of_th...
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > Why do people think that they get a free pass because they can't see the opponent face to face? We don't think that. We think anti-cheating rules aren't important enough to justify shipping literal malware to people's computers and taking over their machines.

Completely agreed. Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway? Sounds absurd when you put it in proper terms, that is someone else taking control over your computer.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

> Where is this "right not to be cheated in an online game" coming from anyway? No idea. Who cares if some random guy cheats really? It's nothing compared to losing our computing freedom. Actual important stuff that matters. Same fundamental issue as DRM which nearly everyone agrees is bad. Our computers are ours and game companies just need to deal with it. If people are gonna cheat, then so be it.

PUSH_AX 5y ago
You have the freedom to not install it.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Who cares if some random guy cheats really? The kind of people who care enough to spend money on an online game. > It's nothing compared to losing our computing freedom. Then don't play online games with anti-cheat. Freedom doesn't mean your decisions don't have consequences—just you have the freedom to choose between the privacy of not submitting to an anti-doping monitoring regime or participating in certain competitive sports. > Our computers are ours and game companies just need to deal with it. If people are gonna cheat, then so be it. Game companies online services are theirs, and your just going to need to deal with it. If firms are going to require anti-cheat, then that's the cost of playing online. You have the freedom to not participate.
DynamicStatic 5y ago
Don't wanna have anti cheats installed? Don't play (online) games, noone is forcing you, for me I'm really happy i have the option on Linux in the future.

zaarn 5y ago

From the same place that real-life competitions tend to have rules about cheating that are enforced. Why do people think that they get a free pass because they can't see the opponent face to face? If you want to play with friends, plenty of multiplayer games offer that without anticheat (Arma lets you even uninstall the anti-cheat and play on anti-cheat disabled servers).

Macha 5y ago
Does my local basketball competition requiring all competitors to submit negative doping tests before competing? Do they get to monitor me for 24 hours before the game? Because that's the level of seriousness of most gaming and the proportionality of using a rootkit to prevent cheating. Sure, the Olympic athletes (or I guess in this analogy, eSports pros competing online) get the full "we're going to make very sure you're not cheating approach" but "my local basketball league" or "unranked ladder" doesn't justify these measures being routine
- zaarn 5y ago
  But if you play online with strangers, you're not really participating in a local basketball competition are you?
  - Macha 5y ago
    Why? Do I get to pick the people on the opposing team in the local basketball competition? I didn't specify a local club for a reason. Just because it's some competition organisers rather than a matchmaking algorithm doesn't change my perspective.
- rasz 5y ago
  Nintendo says yes https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/07/zelda_breath_of_the_wild_hacker_arrested_for_selling_modified_save_data https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/07/zelda_breath_of_th...
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Why do people think that they get a free pass because they can't see the opponent face to face? We don't think that. We think anti-cheating rules aren't important enough to justify shipping literal malware to people's computers and taking over their machines.