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The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the

The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

luffapi 5y ago
> Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel. It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore. Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and funding. We should be 100% focused on disassembling our nuclear arsenal and convincing others to do the same. This article is about Israel though, so our support of their crimes is the topic of my comment.
- seoaeu 5y ago
  It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    I think you'll find that most people concerned about military aid to Israel are likewise not a huge fan of US wars either. It's just that this thread is about Israel, so of course that is the subject that is discussed.
    - seoaeu 5y ago
      I've read plenty of threads here talking about the US. Very few of them pivot into discussion about military spending. Certainly not 100x or 1000x the number about Israel that pivot into military aid
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        That has not been my experience. Frankly, I think it’s just that Israel is a more polarizing issue, so it gets more discussion. Reducing our military adventurism has a much broader base of support among non-elites.
refurb 5y ago
The new guard is no different from the new guard of the 60’s they’ll either be squeezed out or conform.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  Possible, but I don’t see a mechanism for that at this point in time. It’s not like these people hid their opinions of Israel under a bushel in order to get elected; a lot of the more vocal critics of Israel handily won re-election last year, often against vocally pro-Israel opponents. Their voters either agree, or do not view Israel as an issue sufficiently important to override other policy concerns and change their vote. If something will force these candidates to conform or leave to a pro-Israel position, it’s not obvious how or why that would happen.

luffapi 5y ago

> Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel. It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore. Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and funding. We should be 100% focused on disassembling our nuclear arsenal and convincing others to do the same. This article is about Israel though, so our support of their crimes is the topic of my comment.

seoaeu 5y ago
It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  I think you'll find that most people concerned about military aid to Israel are likewise not a huge fan of US wars either. It's just that this thread is about Israel, so of course that is the subject that is discussed.
  - seoaeu 5y ago
    I've read plenty of threads here talking about the US. Very few of them pivot into discussion about military spending. Certainly not 100x or 1000x the number about Israel that pivot into military aid
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      That has not been my experience. Frankly, I think it’s just that Israel is a more polarizing issue, so it gets more discussion. Reducing our military adventurism has a much broader base of support among non-elites.

refurb 5y ago

The new guard is no different from the new guard of the 60’s they’ll either be squeezed out or conform.

ashtonkem 5y ago
Possible, but I don’t see a mechanism for that at this point in time. It’s not like these people hid their opinions of Israel under a bushel in order to get elected; a lot of the more vocal critics of Israel handily won re-election last year, often against vocally pro-Israel opponents. Their voters either agree, or do not view Israel as an issue sufficiently important to override other policy concerns and change their vote. If something will force these candidates to conform or leave to a pro-Israel position, it’s not obvious how or why that would happen.