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> Guess what seemingly everyone in media/politics avoid? Who avoids it? Israel is written about, almost always negatively, on a daily basis on all major newspa

> Guess what seemingly everyone in media/politics avoid? Who avoids it? Israel is written about, almost always negatively, on a daily basis on all major newspapers. Care to say which media outlet avoids "criticizing" Israel other than a few unimportant right wing outlets?

skinkestek 5y ago
I have the same observations as you from Norway. From what I hear from those who have been here longer than me it has been like this since the 60ies or 70ies so it is not a new thing either.
- HappyDreamer 5y ago
  GP: > > Israel is written about, almost always negatively, on a daily basis on all major newspapers You could say that about the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) as well or the dictators in Saudi Arabia. Sometimes there's a well founded reason for criticizing the state in a country. That does not mean the ones who criticize the Israeli state or the CCP, would think that everyone in Israel or China are bad people. P: > same observations as you There's a cognitive bias to notice negative sounding things written about one's own "soccer team", but not notice positive or neutral things so much. Let's say there's 1 article about settlers taking land, 1 about the Israeli state selling suicide bomber drones to Azerbaijan, and 15 articles about vaccination, tech companies, the Pride Parade, other things -- maybe you wouldn't remember the 15 latter, only keep the 1 + 1 former in mind. (This is as expected b.t.w. thinking about evolution and hunter gatherer tribes long ago)
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    > Let's say there's 2 articles about settlers taking land, and 10 articles about startups and tech companies in Israe I'm talking about almost every news outlet writing "Israel bombed Gaza" and only one being nuanced enough to mention "Israel bombed Gaza after n hundred rockets crossed the border during the last 24 hours." Settlers taking land is also interesting. It took quite a while before someone (and none of the big ones) cared to mention that the latest dispute was over Jewish owned land that was stolen by Jordan during their short management of east Jerusalem and sold to Arabs.
    - bjourne 5y ago
      > I'm talking about almost every news outlet writing "Israel bombed Gaza" and only one being nuanced enough to mention "Israel bombed Gaza after n hundred rockets crossed the border during the last 24 hours." It goes both ways. I haven't seen the headline "Palestinian militias shell Israeli targets in response to Israel's attempts to ethnically cleanse illegally occupied Palestinian territory" either. > It took quite a while before someone (and none of the big ones) cared to mention that the latest dispute was over Jewish owned land that was stolen by Jordan during their short management of east Jerusalem and sold to Arabs. Has anyone of them mentioned the massive irony in Israel returning lands stolen from Jews while at the same time keeping all the land it itself stole from Palestinians?
      - joelbluminator 5y ago
        > Palestinian militias launched rockets at Israel in response to its attempts to ethnically cleanse illegally occupied Palestinian territory What ? That was what Western media wrote over and over again last few months.
        skinkestek 5y ago
        Where were you were media wrote this? Preferrably with links. I'm stubborn but prefer to become right over believing I was always right (but actually being wrong the whole time.)
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        > Has anyone of them mentioned the massive irony in Israel returning lands stolen from Jews while at the same time keeping all the land it itself stole from Palestinians? To the degree that land has been stolen recently except by Jordan it was by UN and the British I think. Israeli land was either bought, traded, given by UN, won in defensive wars (and most of that have been given back in return for peace). You could say that the land that was gained in defensive wars is stolen even if it was a defensive war, but I think that becomes unreasonable - especially since Israel has proven that they are willing to give back such land for a real, lasting peace agreement, and also since some of the land represents a massive advantage for a hostile neighbor.

skinkestek 5y ago

I have the same observations as you from Norway. From what I hear from those who have been here longer than me it has been like this since the 60ies or 70ies so it is not a new thing either.

HappyDreamer 5y ago
GP: > > Israel is written about, almost always negatively, on a daily basis on all major newspapers You could say that about the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) as well or the dictators in Saudi Arabia. Sometimes there's a well founded reason for criticizing the state in a country. That does not mean the ones who criticize the Israeli state or the CCP, would think that everyone in Israel or China are bad people. P: > same observations as you There's a cognitive bias to notice negative sounding things written about one's own "soccer team", but not notice positive or neutral things so much. Let's say there's 1 article about settlers taking land, 1 about the Israeli state selling suicide bomber drones to Azerbaijan, and 15 articles about vaccination, tech companies, the Pride Parade, other things -- maybe you wouldn't remember the 15 latter, only keep the 1 + 1 former in mind. (This is as expected b.t.w. thinking about evolution and hunter gatherer tribes long ago)
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > Let's say there's 2 articles about settlers taking land, and 10 articles about startups and tech companies in Israe I'm talking about almost every news outlet writing "Israel bombed Gaza" and only one being nuanced enough to mention "Israel bombed Gaza after n hundred rockets crossed the border during the last 24 hours." Settlers taking land is also interesting. It took quite a while before someone (and none of the big ones) cared to mention that the latest dispute was over Jewish owned land that was stolen by Jordan during their short management of east Jerusalem and sold to Arabs.
  - bjourne 5y ago
    > I'm talking about almost every news outlet writing "Israel bombed Gaza" and only one being nuanced enough to mention "Israel bombed Gaza after n hundred rockets crossed the border during the last 24 hours." It goes both ways. I haven't seen the headline "Palestinian militias shell Israeli targets in response to Israel's attempts to ethnically cleanse illegally occupied Palestinian territory" either. > It took quite a while before someone (and none of the big ones) cared to mention that the latest dispute was over Jewish owned land that was stolen by Jordan during their short management of east Jerusalem and sold to Arabs. Has anyone of them mentioned the massive irony in Israel returning lands stolen from Jews while at the same time keeping all the land it itself stole from Palestinians?
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      > Palestinian militias launched rockets at Israel in response to its attempts to ethnically cleanse illegally occupied Palestinian territory What ? That was what Western media wrote over and over again last few months.
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        Where were you were media wrote this? Preferrably with links. I'm stubborn but prefer to become right over believing I was always right (but actually being wrong the whole time.)
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      > Has anyone of them mentioned the massive irony in Israel returning lands stolen from Jews while at the same time keeping all the land it itself stole from Palestinians? To the degree that land has been stolen recently except by Jordan it was by UN and the British I think. Israeli land was either bought, traded, given by UN, won in defensive wars (and most of that have been given back in return for peace). You could say that the land that was gained in defensive wars is stolen even if it was a defensive war, but I think that becomes unreasonable - especially since Israel has proven that they are willing to give back such land for a real, lasting peace agreement, and also since some of the land represents a massive advantage for a hostile neighbor.