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Not weird at all, given the recent uptick in anti-israel sentiments in the left, and uptick of antisemitism worldwide

croes 5y ago
I get it. Calling out chinese, russian and north korean hacking = fighting cyber terrorism. Calling out israeli hacking = antisemitism
- seigando 5y ago
  lol as if those are comparable governments.
  - croes 5y ago
    I bet the targeted journalists and oppositionists feel much better because countries like Saudi Arabia spied on them with software from good governments, just like the people in Mexico are glad they get shot by good german weapons instead of evil russian ones.
    - seigando 5y ago
      ...wait why are you leaving the u.s. out of any of your examples?
- poisonarena 5y ago
  you're missing the point, and putting words in my mouth. Israeli hacking criticism is not anti-semitism, and thats not what I meant. But the thousands of articles coming out every week criticizing Israel are largely motivated to destroy the countries image. The antisemitism is related and undeniable as a side to all of this.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - poisonarena 5y ago
      I am Israeli, and when I see blatant misinformation being brigaded in the tech community that I am a part of, about my country, I feel the need to respond. It is actually stressful to respond, but I feel the need to because I don't think the moderation on these Israeli threads is enough. And regarding the guidelines the posters who are targeting my comments have no problems being rude, patronizing, and breaking guidelines.
      - dang 5y ago
        I totally get that, I understand, and I feel for your situation. But you still have to follow the rules here. Other people breaking the rules doesn't entitle you to break them. They aren't allowed to break the rules, either, and we try our hardest to be as even-handed about this as we possibly can. There are a lot of cognitive biases at work in these situations. It always feels like the other person started it; it always feels like they're doing worse; it always feels like one is being "brigaded" and so on. Mostly the others are feeling the same things. Everyone has good reasons for what they're fighting for, even if those good reasons aren't expressed, and even when the arguments they're making are wrong or distorted or one-sided. Since everyone is having these similar feelings and perceptions, we all have to be super careful about moderating (in all senses of the word "moderate"), or we're guaranteed a downward spiral. That wouldn't do any of us good, regardless of our views on countries or anything else. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20spiral%20downward&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        poisonarena 5y ago
        You are right. I am going to not even click the links with the "Israel" in them to save myself anguish. Positive vibes only
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I get it. Calling out chinese, russian and north korean hacking = fighting cyber terrorism. Calling out israeli hacking = antisemitism

seigando 5y ago
lol as if those are comparable governments.
- croes 5y ago
  I bet the targeted journalists and oppositionists feel much better because countries like Saudi Arabia spied on them with software from good governments, just like the people in Mexico are glad they get shot by good german weapons instead of evil russian ones.
  - seigando 5y ago
    ...wait why are you leaving the u.s. out of any of your examples?
poisonarena 5y ago
you're missing the point, and putting words in my mouth. Israeli hacking criticism is not anti-semitism, and thats not what I meant. But the thousands of articles coming out every week criticizing Israel are largely motivated to destroy the countries image. The antisemitism is related and undeniable as a side to all of this.
- dang 5y ago
  Please stop adding to flamewars, and don't post like this to HN in the future, regardless of which side you're on or how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - poisonarena 5y ago
    I am Israeli, and when I see blatant misinformation being brigaded in the tech community that I am a part of, about my country, I feel the need to respond. It is actually stressful to respond, but I feel the need to because I don't think the moderation on these Israeli threads is enough. And regarding the guidelines the posters who are targeting my comments have no problems being rude, patronizing, and breaking guidelines.
    - dang 5y ago
      I totally get that, I understand, and I feel for your situation. But you still have to follow the rules here. Other people breaking the rules doesn't entitle you to break them. They aren't allowed to break the rules, either, and we try our hardest to be as even-handed about this as we possibly can. There are a lot of cognitive biases at work in these situations. It always feels like the other person started it; it always feels like they're doing worse; it always feels like one is being "brigaded" and so on. Mostly the others are feeling the same things. Everyone has good reasons for what they're fighting for, even if those good reasons aren't expressed, and even when the arguments they're making are wrong or distorted or one-sided. Since everyone is having these similar feelings and perceptions, we all have to be super careful about moderating (in all senses of the word "moderate"), or we're guaranteed a downward spiral. That wouldn't do any of us good, regardless of our views on countries or anything else. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20spiral%20downward&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - poisonarena 5y ago
        You are right. I am going to not even click the links with the "Israel" in them to save myself anguish. Positive vibes only

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