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But this is the problem with a JD on the common law standard of 'considered other options' - what does it mean to consider? It's utterly to do with the state of

by flave 5y ago

But this is the problem with a JD on the common law standard of 'considered other options' - what does it mean to consider? It's utterly to do with the state of mind of the person doing the reviewing. Because of JDs, and because of, no offence, comments like this - gov lawyers feel compelled to write down literally everything to prove they 'considered'. But a lack of ass covering doesn't prove that the consideration didn't occur. -- huh? even the protestors agree that the road needs an upgrade? I'm not going to read a whole wikipedia article. It's a highly congested major road. It needs an upgrade and the stonehenge 'site' is massive. https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/stonehenge/history-and-stories/stonehenge-landscape/ https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/stonehenge/...

josefx 5y ago
> But a lack of ass covering doesn't prove that the consideration didn't occur. I guess you have the entire UK traffic situation memorized. Didn't have to talk with anyone else about it, didn't need a single meeting or phone call to reach that state of omniscience. > It's a highly congested major road. Well if that is the issue, just close the road, no more congestion on it and I also didn't have to ask anyone, or do any traffic analysis that might require paperwork for it.
- flave 5y ago
  You think that the UKGOV Transport Secretary doesn't know about, or think about the UK motorway and A-road system? > Well if that is the issue, just close the road, no more congestion on it and I also didn't have to ask anyone, or do any traffic analysis that might require paperwork for it. This is a meme right? You're memeing what a stupid person might say?
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    >This is a meme right? You're memeing what a stupid person might say? In case you actually don’t get it. What they are clearly doing is using hyperbole to point out that the road upgrade can only be shown to be a good idea if they can also show that they looked at the whole situation, all the options, and still concluded that upgrading that specific road is the only reasonable option. Their hyperbolic example is that if road congestion is the problem, just close the road. Problem solved. Obviously, that is a myopic look at only that road that technically solves the problem, while clearly making things worse in practice, since vehicles would still have to use other roads. This paralleled the myopic thinking that there is road congestion on one road, so the only solution is to upgrade that one road, while not considering all the other roads and the interplay of traffic patterns and if/how congestion could be solved using other roads or methods.
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by flave 5y ago

josefx 5y ago

> But a lack of ass covering doesn't prove that the consideration didn't occur. I guess you have the entire UK traffic situation memorized. Didn't have to talk with anyone else about it, didn't need a single meeting or phone call to reach that state of omniscience. > It's a highly congested major road. Well if that is the issue, just close the road, no more congestion on it and I also didn't have to ask anyone, or do any traffic analysis that might require paperwork for it.

flave 5y ago
You think that the UKGOV Transport Secretary doesn't know about, or think about the UK motorway and A-road system? > Well if that is the issue, just close the road, no more congestion on it and I also didn't have to ask anyone, or do any traffic analysis that might require paperwork for it. This is a meme right? You're memeing what a stupid person might say?
- 542354234235 5y ago
  >This is a meme right? You're memeing what a stupid person might say? In case you actually don’t get it. What they are clearly doing is using hyperbole to point out that the road upgrade can only be shown to be a good idea if they can also show that they looked at the whole situation, all the options, and still concluded that upgrading that specific road is the only reasonable option. Their hyperbolic example is that if road congestion is the problem, just close the road. Problem solved. Obviously, that is a myopic look at only that road that technically solves the problem, while clearly making things worse in practice, since vehicles would still have to use other roads. This paralleled the myopic thinking that there is road congestion on one road, so the only solution is to upgrade that one road, while not considering all the other roads and the interplay of traffic patterns and if/how congestion could be solved using other roads or methods.
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