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> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states d

> I would say only the millennial generation onward do Indian citizens feel they belong to India Most of the people in my state, and a lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India". India seems to expect us to fall to the ground and worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense, and we decline. We don't belong to anyone other than ourselves. Thank you.

phekunde 5y ago
Looks like the movie theaters are not yet open in Tamil Nadu!
- sameerds 5y ago
  I wonder how many will catch on to that "ghati" username! Good one, though!
  - phekunde 5y ago
    So finally, someone did catch it ;)
throwaway636536 5y ago
> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more than half of my childhood and I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.
- phekunde 5y ago
  > Why do you believe that north indian language are nonsense? Hindi language should first correct the pronunciation of words like "Baink" for Bank, "Baal" for Ball, "Daaktar" for Doctor etc. And then thinking of enforcing that language on rest of the country. I am curious, why Samskrut is not used as a common language for India, like how Hebrew resurrected as a language of Israel? With English as second language, and mother-tongue as the the third language. Samskrut has a treasure trove of important literature that not many in India understand!
  - foolinaround 5y ago
    the Jews were a people group, there is no such as 'Indian', there is nothing to resurrect since it never existed in the first place.
    - throw13579 5y ago
      'Indian' is the same as 'Bharatiya'[1], which is as old as human civilization gets. And I agree with OP that Sanskrit should be revived in India like the Jews did for Hebrew in Israel. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India#Bh%C4%81rata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India#Bh%C4%81rata
- anonymous_i 5y ago
  > worship "India's language is Hindi", I think , what he is trying to say is, ascribing a single language to a diversified nation like India is not a good idea. > Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? Free speech.LoL.I am not saying OP is right or is following HN etiquette, but that it is OP's opinion(not fact, not truth). > I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor. Bihar is the most uneducated state in the country. Kolkata is a terrible to place to conduct business of any kind. Although , this is not representative of the North. But what is North anyway ? Should we consider anything above Madhya Pradesh North ? Does Gujarat count as North ? Does Mizoram count as North ?
- tsjq 5y ago
  behavorially and educationally, North Indians are backward than the South Indians.
  - hellol-amda 5y ago
    Says a lot about you
- thedravidian 5y ago
  > Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. It is informative that you assume I am from Tamil Nadu. It tells us a lot about the underlying assumptions within your "views". > Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? No one said that except for you. I'll try to simplify what I said since you had difficulty comprehending what I wrote. What I said was that I am opposed to those who worship "India's language is Hindi". Further, I am opposed to those "who worship Aryans". Surely I don't have to explain why "wheatish" supremacy and other similar nonsense is a bad thing? > I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor. Oh ho ho. Again, not something I said. You seem to have a great deal of imagination and are jousting against your imagined provocations instead of what I communicated.
  - nondravidian 5y ago
    > lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself. I am from Andhra Pradesh, settled in Telangana. Never have I heard your kind of bullshit, except from ultra-leftists on the web. I don't think you have a substantial minority (leave alone a majority) supporting your stand in TN!
- short_sells_poo 5y ago
  > Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I believe the parent didn't call the North Indian language and religion nonsense. They argue against the attempts to make all the diverse ethnic groups/regions fall in line behind some centrally mandated language and religion. They actually argue for the diversity and autonomy of the various groups to maintain their language and traditions, which is hard to disagree with (as an outsider). The history of trying to repress religions and ethnic groups is long and bloody, no matter where we look on the globe.
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throwaway258 5y ago
Speak for yourself buddy. I am a ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ and Indian.
eklavya 5y ago
Tall claims by a deranged hater. There is always some idiot spewing vitriol by bringing up north/west/east/south/up/down. The whole culture of south India IS India. What the fuck are all those Jurassic old temples there for? Built by all South Indian kings. For fucks sake Tamil the language is born of Lord Shiva(North Indian, just kidding) taught to sage Agastya on which this whole hate mongering language movement started by the stupid Aryan/Dravidian theory. Why I bring up Tamil? Because your username is the stupid movement started to grab power. Is there a South Indian shiva who is different from the North Indian shiva? What is the Indian culture? What is the South Indian culture? Except the million languages found in India what major difference were there for religious or cultural purposes? This hate is what leads to the so called Dalit leader take up the name of a rapist Brahmin (Ravan). Haters gonna hate.
- foolinaround 5y ago
  From your writing above, I can see you are not from Tamil Nadu and that you need to educate yourself more. Would it blow your mind if I told you that Shiva (or Vishnu) was not even worshipped by Tamils or in the ancient literature till it was brought in from the north? The real religion of the Tamils is akin to ancestor worshi. Later, all the religions started invading and setting up roots ( actually Buddhism/Jainism took roots before current Hinduism came down ).
  - eklavya 5y ago
    That seems to be patently false. The oldest Tamil literature is Sangam literature (except Tolkāppiyam which is about grammar and contains influences from people all around India) which also contains poems for Vishnu, shiva, Durga. Buddhism and Jainism came way later.
    - foolinaround 5y ago
      AFAIK, Shiva is not mentioned at all in Sangam literature. The gods in both these cultures had similarities and a synthesis happened down the road. for example, Murugan was the primary god and later assimilated with Shiva etc.
satwick1995 5y ago
Yet another problem arising due to complete, non-opposed belief in AIT.
tw123 5y ago
Those who tell you: - "India's language is Hindi" - "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" - and other similar things are a pain in the neck not just for you but for everyone they will be in touch with. They will keep on creating new propaganda(just like the points above) targeted towards different groups of people so that they can annoy you and remain trending. Please keep in mind that they are not "India".
chakkepolja 5y ago
> India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism This seems very short sighted. From an objective historical standpoint, the current Hinduism is no more 'Aryan' than it's 'Dravidian' or 'Indigineous'. The Rig Vedic dieties which share origins with Nordic, Greek or other Indo European mythology are not the central point of the Hinduism since the middle ages. The present rituals and systems evolved over, 3000+ years, shaped by various political forces, most of which was never documented and we will never know. The "North Indian == Aryan" was wording used in Tamil Nadu politics that's why people in comments are assuming your from there. Your point is correct that current Nationalist side of politics is pushing some views in order to unify their voter base. (I don't want to talk about politics on a nerd forum.) The only thing more "Aryan" about Hindu nationalism is they want to claim this historically baseless OIT theory (as if anything that comes from outside is impure and bad). [to non indians reading this, the word Aryan refers to slightly different meaning than held in the west, while we are talking about same indo european bronze age peoples, both theories (Nazism or Periyar's Dravidianism), are pseudoscience shit.
truth_ 5y ago
1 point by truth_ 5 minutes ago | edit | delete [–] I also am aware of a mainstream set of people who do not mix Indianness with submission to Hindi-imposition. While people like you do exist, I have also met many people who have no problems belonging to India but rightly abhor Hindi-imperialism exported from cow-belt North. The attitude of the current Nationalist government is only their version of Indianness is correct. In this, you a patriotic Indian, who speaks Hindi, polythestic idol-worshipping Hindu, conforming to the caste system, eating vegetarian food only, believing in subjugation of women, and hating other religions among other things. This is where the real problem lies.
urmish 5y ago
This type of baiting belongs on reddit and not on HN. @dang
- throw13579 5y ago
  True. HN isn't the right place for this flame war.
throw13579 5y ago
you're just upset because the LTTE terrorist organization was wiped out.

phekunde 5y ago

Looks like the movie theaters are not yet open in Tamil Nadu!

sameerds 5y ago
I wonder how many will catch on to that "ghati" username! Good one, though!
- phekunde 5y ago
  So finally, someone did catch it ;)

throwaway636536 5y ago

> lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. I'm from Karnataka (a southern state) and majority of kannadigas love India and are patriotic. > worship "India's language is Hindi", "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" and other nonsense Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I've lived in New Delhi for more than half of my childhood and I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor.

phekunde 5y ago
> Why do you believe that north indian language are nonsense? Hindi language should first correct the pronunciation of words like "Baink" for Bank, "Baal" for Ball, "Daaktar" for Doctor etc. And then thinking of enforcing that language on rest of the country. I am curious, why Samskrut is not used as a common language for India, like how Hebrew resurrected as a language of Israel? With English as second language, and mother-tongue as the the third language. Samskrut has a treasure trove of important literature that not many in India understand!
- foolinaround 5y ago
  the Jews were a people group, there is no such as 'Indian', there is nothing to resurrect since it never existed in the first place.
  - throw13579 5y ago
    'Indian' is the same as 'Bharatiya'[1], which is as old as human civilization gets. And I agree with OP that Sanskrit should be revived in India like the Jews did for Hebrew in Israel. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India#Bh%C4%81rata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India#Bh%C4%81rata
anonymous_i 5y ago
> worship "India's language is Hindi", I think , what he is trying to say is, ascribing a single language to a diversified nation like India is not a good idea. > Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? Free speech.LoL.I am not saying OP is right or is following HN etiquette, but that it is OP's opinion(not fact, not truth). > I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor. Bihar is the most uneducated state in the country. Kolkata is a terrible to place to conduct business of any kind. Although , this is not representative of the North. But what is North anyway ? Should we consider anything above Madhya Pradesh North ? Does Gujarat count as North ? Does Mizoram count as North ?
tsjq 5y ago
behavorially and educationally, North Indians are backward than the South Indians.
- hellol-amda 5y ago
  Says a lot about you
thedravidian 5y ago
> Speak for yourself/Tamil Nadu. It is informative that you assume I am from Tamil Nadu. It tells us a lot about the underlying assumptions within your "views". > Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? No one said that except for you. I'll try to simplify what I said since you had difficulty comprehending what I wrote. What I said was that I am opposed to those who worship "India's language is Hindi". Further, I am opposed to those "who worship Aryans". Surely I don't have to explain why "wheatish" supremacy and other similar nonsense is a bad thing? > I don't think North Indians are backward relative to South Indians. Although they are relatively poor. Oh ho ho. Again, not something I said. You seem to have a great deal of imagination and are jousting against your imagined provocations instead of what I communicated.
- nondravidian 5y ago
  > lot of Southern states do not feel that "we belong to India" Speak for yourself. I am from Andhra Pradesh, settled in Telangana. Never have I heard your kind of bullshit, except from ultra-leftists on the web. I don't think you have a substantial minority (leave alone a majority) supporting your stand in TN!
short_sells_poo 5y ago
> Why do you believe that north indian language and religion are nonsense? I believe the parent didn't call the North Indian language and religion nonsense. They argue against the attempts to make all the diverse ethnic groups/regions fall in line behind some centrally mandated language and religion. They actually argue for the diversity and autonomy of the various groups to maintain their language and traditions, which is hard to disagree with (as an outsider). The history of trying to repress religions and ethnic groups is long and bloody, no matter where we look on the globe.

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throwaway258 5y ago

Speak for yourself buddy. I am a ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ and Indian.

eklavya 5y ago

Tall claims by a deranged hater. There is always some idiot spewing vitriol by bringing up north/west/east/south/up/down. The whole culture of south India IS India. What the fuck are all those Jurassic old temples there for? Built by all South Indian kings. For fucks sake Tamil the language is born of Lord Shiva(North Indian, just kidding) taught to sage Agastya on which this whole hate mongering language movement started by the stupid Aryan/Dravidian theory. Why I bring up Tamil? Because your username is the stupid movement started to grab power. Is there a South Indian shiva who is different from the North Indian shiva? What is the Indian culture? What is the South Indian culture? Except the million languages found in India what major difference were there for religious or cultural purposes? This hate is what leads to the so called Dalit leader take up the name of a rapist Brahmin (Ravan). Haters gonna hate.

foolinaround 5y ago
From your writing above, I can see you are not from Tamil Nadu and that you need to educate yourself more. Would it blow your mind if I told you that Shiva (or Vishnu) was not even worshipped by Tamils or in the ancient literature till it was brought in from the north? The real religion of the Tamils is akin to ancestor worshi. Later, all the religions started invading and setting up roots ( actually Buddhism/Jainism took roots before current Hinduism came down ).
- eklavya 5y ago
  That seems to be patently false. The oldest Tamil literature is Sangam literature (except Tolkāppiyam which is about grammar and contains influences from people all around India) which also contains poems for Vishnu, shiva, Durga. Buddhism and Jainism came way later.
  - foolinaround 5y ago
    AFAIK, Shiva is not mentioned at all in Sangam literature. The gods in both these cultures had similarities and a synthesis happened down the road. for example, Murugan was the primary god and later assimilated with Shiva etc.

satwick1995 5y ago

Yet another problem arising due to complete, non-opposed belief in AIT.

tw123 5y ago

Those who tell you: - "India's language is Hindi" - "India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism" - and other similar things are a pain in the neck not just for you but for everyone they will be in touch with. They will keep on creating new propaganda(just like the points above) targeted towards different groups of people so that they can annoy you and remain trending. Please keep in mind that they are not "India".

chakkepolja 5y ago

> India's religion is the Aryan worshipping flavour of Hinduism This seems very short sighted. From an objective historical standpoint, the current Hinduism is no more 'Aryan' than it's 'Dravidian' or 'Indigineous'. The Rig Vedic dieties which share origins with Nordic, Greek or other Indo European mythology are not the central point of the Hinduism since the middle ages. The present rituals and systems evolved over, 3000+ years, shaped by various political forces, most of which was never documented and we will never know. The "North Indian == Aryan" was wording used in Tamil Nadu politics that's why people in comments are assuming your from there. Your point is correct that current Nationalist side of politics is pushing some views in order to unify their voter base. (I don't want to talk about politics on a nerd forum.) The only thing more "Aryan" about Hindu nationalism is they want to claim this historically baseless OIT theory (as if anything that comes from outside is impure and bad). [to non indians reading this, the word Aryan refers to slightly different meaning than held in the west, while we are talking about same indo european bronze age peoples, both theories (Nazism or Periyar's Dravidianism), are pseudoscience shit.

truth_ 5y ago

1 point by truth_ 5 minutes ago | edit | delete [–] I also am aware of a mainstream set of people who do not mix Indianness with submission to Hindi-imposition. While people like you do exist, I have also met many people who have no problems belonging to India but rightly abhor Hindi-imperialism exported from cow-belt North. The attitude of the current Nationalist government is only their version of Indianness is correct. In this, you a patriotic Indian, who speaks Hindi, polythestic idol-worshipping Hindu, conforming to the caste system, eating vegetarian food only, believing in subjugation of women, and hating other religions among other things. This is where the real problem lies.

urmish 5y ago

This type of baiting belongs on reddit and not on HN. @dang

throw13579 5y ago
True. HN isn't the right place for this flame war.

throw13579 5y ago

you're just upset because the LTTE terrorist organization was wiped out.