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> I appreciate the importance of accessibility but the tone of that article strikes me as strident and demanding, acknowledging only the situation feelings and

> I appreciate the importance of accessibility but the tone of that article strikes me as strident and demanding, acknowledging only the situation feelings and difficulty of accessibility users, but not of the developers, nor of the other user groups. Who cares about the “feelings and difficulty” of the developers? This isn’t a niche side project they’re building for free on nights and weekends. They’re being paid handsomely by a multi-billion dollar corporation selling the software for profit. And let’s be clear about what’s happening. The trade off isn’t about security. I’m sure you’re right that it’s not trivial, but problem is entirely solvable — it just costs money. Cloudflare has decided that accommodating visually impaired users is less important than their profit margins on this thing.

graderjs 5y ago
I think you always need to care about the feelings of the developers... Because that privileged and entitled attitude that I see prevalent in open source and even in complaints from customers to a company... I think it's a lacking in empathy thing and it's not a good thing to encourage at all... Also, I don't think you will achieve a good outcome for yourself or for anyone involved (and that's important) if you start from the point of view of let's just not care about the feelings of this group. But I can also see how you feel like the feelings of accessibility users are not being cared about by this decision...but I encourage you to take a step back and see things in less absolute terms because I...think the situation has a lot of nuance which when appreciated changes the the way you'd be likely to choose if you are in charge of this. [i edited out a whole bunch of stuff in the middle...go here, if you wanna see it: https://pastebin.com/YkcRgFFz https://pastebin.com/YkcRgFFz] Also in this specific category consider the idea that the isolation model is perforated by the need for accessibility so while you think you're getting simply a gain for accessibility users by opening the product up to be used by them you may be doing so in such a way that weakens the security model not only for all the other users, but for accessibility users as well... So, technically, or logically.. it very much is a trade-off about security, as much as you may wish to deny. I think if you weren't thinking in such absolute terms but more acquainted with the nuance of this technology you might see that as well. but hey i could be misreading you in my own strident and stupid way, so i'm sorry if that's the case and it's possible i haven't yet considered the nuance of your view and feelings on this.

graderjs 5y ago

I think you always need to care about the feelings of the developers... Because that privileged and entitled attitude that I see prevalent in open source and even in complaints from customers to a company... I think it's a lacking in empathy thing and it's not a good thing to encourage at all... Also, I don't think you will achieve a good outcome for yourself or for anyone involved (and that's important) if you start from the point of view of let's just not care about the feelings of this group. But I can also see how you feel like the feelings of accessibility users are not being cared about by this decision...but I encourage you to take a step back and see things in less absolute terms because I...think the situation has a lot of nuance which when appreciated changes the the way you'd be likely to choose if you are in charge of this. [i edited out a whole bunch of stuff in the middle...go here, if you wanna see it: https://pastebin.com/YkcRgFFz https://pastebin.com/YkcRgFFz] Also in this specific category consider the idea that the isolation model is perforated by the need for accessibility so while you think you're getting simply a gain for accessibility users by opening the product up to be used by them you may be doing so in such a way that weakens the security model not only for all the other users, but for accessibility users as well... So, technically, or logically.. it very much is a trade-off about security, as much as you may wish to deny. I think if you weren't thinking in such absolute terms but more acquainted with the nuance of this technology you might see that as well. but hey i could be misreading you in my own strident and stupid way, so i'm sorry if that's the case and it's possible i haven't yet considered the nuance of your view and feelings on this.