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>Even with this, not everyone has the same perspective or the same exposure to the downsides. Not everyone will throw more resources at their problems, some wil

>Even with this, not everyone has the same perspective or the same exposure to the downsides. Not everyone will throw more resources at their problems, some will more than others, some will collect it and squander it more than others, no matter their ends. Well, if the greenhouse effect is real and our planet cooks itself, then pretty sure humanity as a whole is exposed to the downsides. >Events are always going to happen, and everyone will respond differently to them everytime. Sure pockets of consensus will form but to expect it to be prevalent among everyone is highly unlikely, and hoping for such to happen is a sisyphean task. If you know there are cracks in the dam, you do something about it. If a hurricane is coming, you sound an alert. Tragic outcomes can be bounded and limited by human function.

cinquemb 5y ago
> Well, if the greenhouse effect is real and our planet cooks itself, then pretty sure humanity as a whole is exposed to the downsides. People who have more resources under their control to secure food and shelter in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who don't not… some with quick thinking in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who just run around screaming and panicking… etc. > If you know there are cracks in the dam, you do something about it. If a hurricane is coming, you sound an alert. Tragic outcomes can be bounded and limited by human function. Some people knowing that a specific spot is more prone to hurricanes than others can choose not to live there… they will fair better than others who did not know, or did not chose to move away with the knowledge they had and staying put in the face of tail risk of losing their life was deemed worth it… If you think it is the individuals role to place the burdens off society on it's sholders above all else, I'm afraid we're never going to share the same perspective esp when comes to intricate matters of the eurodollar system…
- coralreef 5y ago
  > People who have more resources under their control to secure food and shelter in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who don't not… some with quick thinking in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who just run around screaming and panicking… etc. I'm not sure if you understand the impact of environmental change. Entire ecosystems will collapse, species of animals and plants will die. It's not an earthquake. It's the gradual warming of the planet. Humanity as we know it may be eliminated. Nobody does well in this scenario. Earth is relegated to a dead and dying planet for the bacteria. I'm not convinced with the idea that pockets of humanity will proliferate living in small tribes, deep in caves and that somehow this is an optimized collective outcome of our individual choices. > If you think it is the individuals role to place the burdens off society on it's sholders above all else, I'm afraid we're never going to share the same perspective esp when comes to intricate matters of the eurodollar system… It's always been individuals and marginalized groups initiating pushes to better society. Disabled Americans had to fight for rights in the American Disabilities Act. Same with African Americans and civil rights. Same with women and the right to vote. They did it because nobody else cared. Do you not have shared humanity with these people? "Not my job to be concerned with them, they'll make decisions and I'll make decisions and some will do better than others, and whatever way that turns out to be will be the result of each person's optimized individuality." When the dollar collapses, it will be the working poor and marginalized people affected most.
  - cinquemb 5y ago
    > … optimized collective outcome of our individual choices.… > …will be the result of each person's optimized individuality."… Where did this optimize come from? Just because I think that individuals don't have to place the burdens of society on its shoulders, doesn't mean that people cannot willingly chose to if they want to or feel compelled to for lack of other options. But just because people decide to make whatever choices they make, doesn't mean that it will result in an optimized outcome… whatever happens from t0 to t1 will just be an outcome… I'm not going to fool myself to think that whatever collective action can be taken, for any goals, will automatically make it optimized for any particular outcome that can be determined ahead of time with 100% certainty (or anything even close to 100%, or even understood by everyone ahead of time). > When the dollar collapses, it will be the working poor and marginalized people affected most. These people have always felt the brunt of the worst any society has to offer throughout history, just because you want to do something about it for whatever reason, lofty idealized pie in the sky or not, the likelihood of that changing from one system to another seems pretty low. And I say that as someone who feels marginalized by the current centralized through global TBTF banking/corporate order and is actively building decentralized systems (have nearly all of my "money"/"store of value"/whatever in these decentralized systems and not the TBTF bailoutistan ones). I'm not going to pretend that the ills that have plagued society throughout history are just magically going to go away just because there are uncollateralized and decentralized stablecoins for people to transact value in. Nor will I pretend that people who think "central" banks are central or think they have a monopoly on what value can be denominated and transacted in will have the same calling as I to work on such things.

cinquemb 5y ago

> Well, if the greenhouse effect is real and our planet cooks itself, then pretty sure humanity as a whole is exposed to the downsides. People who have more resources under their control to secure food and shelter in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who don't not… some with quick thinking in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who just run around screaming and panicking… etc. > If you know there are cracks in the dam, you do something about it. If a hurricane is coming, you sound an alert. Tragic outcomes can be bounded and limited by human function. Some people knowing that a specific spot is more prone to hurricanes than others can choose not to live there… they will fair better than others who did not know, or did not chose to move away with the knowledge they had and staying put in the face of tail risk of losing their life was deemed worth it… If you think it is the individuals role to place the burdens off society on it's sholders above all else, I'm afraid we're never going to share the same perspective esp when comes to intricate matters of the eurodollar system…

coralreef 5y ago
> People who have more resources under their control to secure food and shelter in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who don't not… some with quick thinking in the event of major catastrophe will fair better than those who just run around screaming and panicking… etc. I'm not sure if you understand the impact of environmental change. Entire ecosystems will collapse, species of animals and plants will die. It's not an earthquake. It's the gradual warming of the planet. Humanity as we know it may be eliminated. Nobody does well in this scenario. Earth is relegated to a dead and dying planet for the bacteria. I'm not convinced with the idea that pockets of humanity will proliferate living in small tribes, deep in caves and that somehow this is an optimized collective outcome of our individual choices. > If you think it is the individuals role to place the burdens off society on it's sholders above all else, I'm afraid we're never going to share the same perspective esp when comes to intricate matters of the eurodollar system… It's always been individuals and marginalized groups initiating pushes to better society. Disabled Americans had to fight for rights in the American Disabilities Act. Same with African Americans and civil rights. Same with women and the right to vote. They did it because nobody else cared. Do you not have shared humanity with these people? "Not my job to be concerned with them, they'll make decisions and I'll make decisions and some will do better than others, and whatever way that turns out to be will be the result of each person's optimized individuality." When the dollar collapses, it will be the working poor and marginalized people affected most.
- cinquemb 5y ago
  > … optimized collective outcome of our individual choices.… > …will be the result of each person's optimized individuality."… Where did this optimize come from? Just because I think that individuals don't have to place the burdens of society on its shoulders, doesn't mean that people cannot willingly chose to if they want to or feel compelled to for lack of other options. But just because people decide to make whatever choices they make, doesn't mean that it will result in an optimized outcome… whatever happens from t0 to t1 will just be an outcome… I'm not going to fool myself to think that whatever collective action can be taken, for any goals, will automatically make it optimized for any particular outcome that can be determined ahead of time with 100% certainty (or anything even close to 100%, or even understood by everyone ahead of time). > When the dollar collapses, it will be the working poor and marginalized people affected most. These people have always felt the brunt of the worst any society has to offer throughout history, just because you want to do something about it for whatever reason, lofty idealized pie in the sky or not, the likelihood of that changing from one system to another seems pretty low. And I say that as someone who feels marginalized by the current centralized through global TBTF banking/corporate order and is actively building decentralized systems (have nearly all of my "money"/"store of value"/whatever in these decentralized systems and not the TBTF bailoutistan ones). I'm not going to pretend that the ills that have plagued society throughout history are just magically going to go away just because there are uncollateralized and decentralized stablecoins for people to transact value in. Nor will I pretend that people who think "central" banks are central or think they have a monopoly on what value can be denominated and transacted in will have the same calling as I to work on such things.