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Why are you saying crazy self-fulfilling prophesies? Do you hate money? Take the leap into something you WANT. Skills, Sschmills! You can learn can't you? Li

Why are you saying crazy self-fulfilling prophesies? Do you hate money? Take the leap into something you WANT. Skills, Sschmills! You can learn can't you? Life means learning new stuff all the time. Learning never takes a time out. The military was a bastion of learned lessons for me. One key takeaway: You are your own best advocate. Everything in an interview or negotiation related to you springs from that viewpoint. That's one of the most basic you will repeat infinitely. Use it boldly, not arrogantly.

the_only_law 5y ago
> Take the leap into something you WANT. Skills, Sschmills! You can learn can't you? It’s just about time really. I could skill up but what’s the market going to look like by the point I’m ready.
- robotresearcher 5y ago
  Get the job and then learn the skill. The value proposition you present is that you can learn stuff. This is not a flippant reply! I’m totally serious.
  - brailsafe 5y ago
    Ya but companies genuinely don't care about that. We'd all like them to, but when the first step of an interview process is an automatically generated global talent test, administered by an hr person, there's no room for this sales pitch really. "Lets hire this guy who tells us he can learn, or let's hire this new grad who's been grinding leetcode for 2 years straight and happens to test well on the tech we bet our whole codebase on".
    - jjeaff 5y ago
      The article you are commenting on literally talks about how lots of companies are skipping the skills tests right now.
      - brailsafe 5y ago
        The article could say anything, anecdotally I see an increase in this.
    - robotresearcher 5y ago
      > this guy who tells us he can learn I'm assuming you have actually learned something and can show the results. Don't just declare yourself a learner, unless your real skill is amazing charisma. Graduating and acing leetcode is evidence of ability to learn something. What's yours?
  - joe-collins 5y ago
    Can I ask for a reality check, then? I've broadly tech-savvy, and I can do some programming. I taught myself Lua for the sake of making game addons, I've dabbled in Java and Javascript (and tiny bits elsewhere). Most of my projects of note, outside of gaming, are simply little utility scripts for my own curiosities, nothing shared. My career thus far has been a decade of retail, but at least I'm currently in an entry-level management position. Is there a core there worth trying to sell for a tech job?
    - dingsbumps 5y ago
      I think everyone with aptitude or interest in programming should take a shot at a career in the field. Even outside of this current talent crunch, it's an industry with a lot of opportunity. Getting your foot in the door is the hardest part (like many other industries). I don't have a lot of recent experience, but a boot camp or something similar might be needed to get past the first line of hr screening. But doing some leetcode and sending out some applications is a pretty low investment way to start!
    - depressedpanda 5y ago
      Go for it. > Most of my projects of note, outside of gaming, are simply little utility scripts for my own curiosities, nothing shared. Put this stuff up on GitHub or similar. I was recently involved in recruiting a junior dev at my company, and I was baffled by how lackluster people's portfolios were. Many people didn't have one. Those that did, had one or two school projects, or had a bunch of empty 0-commit forks. Even one single passion project will make you stand out from the rest.
    - conor- 5y ago
      Definitely worth trying. I used a software support role to get a foot in the door of the tech industry without any college degree, then used that was a way to learn whatever I could/display that I know how to code to get into a SWE role. I think the biggest learning curve I faced was learning "enterprise" software development in terms of design patterns, testing, etc. but it's all learnable once you unearth some of the unknown unknowns. I'd also avoid using wording like "dabbled" because I've found that people are off-put by that and it comes across as selling yourself short, especially without a formal CS background.
- jethro_tell 5y ago
  Apply. I had the same feeling and got a near 100% hit rate on my resume. Even for things is didn't really think I was qualified for. To the point where I went back and had to rethink applying only to companies I really want to work for.
- datavirtue 5y ago
  Better, for you?

the_only_law 5y ago

> Take the leap into something you WANT. Skills, Sschmills! You can learn can't you? It’s just about time really. I could skill up but what’s the market going to look like by the point I’m ready.

robotresearcher 5y ago
Get the job and then learn the skill. The value proposition you present is that you can learn stuff. This is not a flippant reply! I’m totally serious.
- brailsafe 5y ago
  Ya but companies genuinely don't care about that. We'd all like them to, but when the first step of an interview process is an automatically generated global talent test, administered by an hr person, there's no room for this sales pitch really. "Lets hire this guy who tells us he can learn, or let's hire this new grad who's been grinding leetcode for 2 years straight and happens to test well on the tech we bet our whole codebase on".
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    The article you are commenting on literally talks about how lots of companies are skipping the skills tests right now.
    - brailsafe 5y ago
      The article could say anything, anecdotally I see an increase in this.
  - robotresearcher 5y ago
    > this guy who tells us he can learn I'm assuming you have actually learned something and can show the results. Don't just declare yourself a learner, unless your real skill is amazing charisma. Graduating and acing leetcode is evidence of ability to learn something. What's yours?
- joe-collins 5y ago
  Can I ask for a reality check, then? I've broadly tech-savvy, and I can do some programming. I taught myself Lua for the sake of making game addons, I've dabbled in Java and Javascript (and tiny bits elsewhere). Most of my projects of note, outside of gaming, are simply little utility scripts for my own curiosities, nothing shared. My career thus far has been a decade of retail, but at least I'm currently in an entry-level management position. Is there a core there worth trying to sell for a tech job?
  - dingsbumps 5y ago
    I think everyone with aptitude or interest in programming should take a shot at a career in the field. Even outside of this current talent crunch, it's an industry with a lot of opportunity. Getting your foot in the door is the hardest part (like many other industries). I don't have a lot of recent experience, but a boot camp or something similar might be needed to get past the first line of hr screening. But doing some leetcode and sending out some applications is a pretty low investment way to start!
  - depressedpanda 5y ago
    Go for it. > Most of my projects of note, outside of gaming, are simply little utility scripts for my own curiosities, nothing shared. Put this stuff up on GitHub or similar. I was recently involved in recruiting a junior dev at my company, and I was baffled by how lackluster people's portfolios were. Many people didn't have one. Those that did, had one or two school projects, or had a bunch of empty 0-commit forks. Even one single passion project will make you stand out from the rest.
  - conor- 5y ago
    Definitely worth trying. I used a software support role to get a foot in the door of the tech industry without any college degree, then used that was a way to learn whatever I could/display that I know how to code to get into a SWE role. I think the biggest learning curve I faced was learning "enterprise" software development in terms of design patterns, testing, etc. but it's all learnable once you unearth some of the unknown unknowns. I'd also avoid using wording like "dabbled" because I've found that people are off-put by that and it comes across as selling yourself short, especially without a formal CS background.
jethro_tell 5y ago
Apply. I had the same feeling and got a near 100% hit rate on my resume. Even for things is didn't really think I was qualified for. To the point where I went back and had to rethink applying only to companies I really want to work for.
datavirtue 5y ago
Better, for you?