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You're the third person on this thread to say that. Please check out the responses to the other two: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28027986 https://news

You're the third person on this thread to say that. Please check out the responses to the other two: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28027986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28027986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028116

cratermoon 5y ago
I read those "just sue them" responses as coming from people who have never even talked to a lawyer except when going through the paperwork of buying a house, much less been a party to actual litigation. Companies keep lawyers on retainer to fight suits like this.They have resources of time and money to easily bankrupt someone with a disability who has just lost a job, and typically it won't even cost the company anything above what their normal retainer fees run.
- cronix 5y ago
  It is also extremely difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were let go due to the disability, especially if there is only a single case in the company and not a track record to follow unless there is a blatant email along the lines of "they're blind, let's get rid of them."
  - ithinkso 5y ago
    This is a common misconception, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is only needed in criminal cases. In civil cases most often preponderance of the evidence (i.e. 'more likely that not') is enough
    - kwdc 5y ago
      This is an indication of the need for more people to get actual legal advice before assuming anything legal.
    - cratermoon 5y ago
      True but that lower standard of proof is still not easy to meet.
      - ithinkso 5y ago
        Yes, I agree, but that's not what I was objecting to (pun intended). I'm not from the US though so bankrupting private individuals through court costs is a science fiction for me
        1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
        "I'm not from the US though so bankrupting private individuals through court costs is science fiction to me." It's also science fiction to anyone in the US, where the term "court costs" generally does not mean attorneys fees.
- jnovek 5y ago
  Not to mention, suing a former employer can impact your future hirability.
- anonymoushn 5y ago
  Hello, yes, even if the EEOC and DFEH tell you "yes, you were illegally discriminated against on the basis of your gender in hiring and the company representative put that in writing" then no lawyer in the Bay Area will take the case lmao
- corobo 5y ago
  > They have resources of time and money to easily bankrupt someone with a disability who has just lost a job Is this an America thing or did I just get lucky? Here (UK) I sued a company for disability related discrimination and it barely even cost me time never mind money. The solicitor handled it all once I'd given all the information I had. They took payment out of the settlement
  - thereddaikon 5y ago
    There are extremes when talking about the legal system. One is people telling others to sue for anything that offends them. The other is people like the above telling you that you can never win a lawsuit against a company because money is the only thing that matters. The truth is complicated and it actually depends on the individual facts and merits of the case (duh). Blanket statements about a system as complex as a legal system are rarely ever true.
    - cratermoon 5y ago
      Is there a reason why comments on HN so quickly go to to " you said X but X is not always true" direction? Is there something inherent in the nature of HN readers making them gravitate towards seeing absolutism that was never there?
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - corobo 5y ago
        You've taken a bit of a throwaway question to its most absolute and painted the entirety of HN with it there Maybe it is in the nature of HN readers :)

cratermoon 5y ago

I read those "just sue them" responses as coming from people who have never even talked to a lawyer except when going through the paperwork of buying a house, much less been a party to actual litigation. Companies keep lawyers on retainer to fight suits like this.They have resources of time and money to easily bankrupt someone with a disability who has just lost a job, and typically it won't even cost the company anything above what their normal retainer fees run.

cronix 5y ago
It is also extremely difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were let go due to the disability, especially if there is only a single case in the company and not a track record to follow unless there is a blatant email along the lines of "they're blind, let's get rid of them."
- ithinkso 5y ago
  This is a common misconception, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is only needed in criminal cases. In civil cases most often preponderance of the evidence (i.e. 'more likely that not') is enough
  - kwdc 5y ago
    This is an indication of the need for more people to get actual legal advice before assuming anything legal.
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    True but that lower standard of proof is still not easy to meet.
    - ithinkso 5y ago
      Yes, I agree, but that's not what I was objecting to (pun intended). I'm not from the US though so bankrupting private individuals through court costs is a science fiction for me
      - 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
        "I'm not from the US though so bankrupting private individuals through court costs is science fiction to me." It's also science fiction to anyone in the US, where the term "court costs" generally does not mean attorneys fees.
jnovek 5y ago
Not to mention, suing a former employer can impact your future hirability.
anonymoushn 5y ago
Hello, yes, even if the EEOC and DFEH tell you "yes, you were illegally discriminated against on the basis of your gender in hiring and the company representative put that in writing" then no lawyer in the Bay Area will take the case lmao
corobo 5y ago
> They have resources of time and money to easily bankrupt someone with a disability who has just lost a job Is this an America thing or did I just get lucky? Here (UK) I sued a company for disability related discrimination and it barely even cost me time never mind money. The solicitor handled it all once I'd given all the information I had. They took payment out of the settlement
- thereddaikon 5y ago
  There are extremes when talking about the legal system. One is people telling others to sue for anything that offends them. The other is people like the above telling you that you can never win a lawsuit against a company because money is the only thing that matters. The truth is complicated and it actually depends on the individual facts and merits of the case (duh). Blanket statements about a system as complex as a legal system are rarely ever true.
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    Is there a reason why comments on HN so quickly go to to " you said X but X is not always true" direction? Is there something inherent in the nature of HN readers making them gravitate towards seeing absolutism that was never there?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - corobo 5y ago
      You've taken a bit of a throwaway question to its most absolute and painted the entirety of HN with it there Maybe it is in the nature of HN readers :)