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> But now, these technical interviews are often being waived Huh? First I’ve heard of that
by derwiki 5y ago
> But now, these technical interviews are often being waived
Huh? First I’ve heard of that
- lazypenguin 5y agoYes this was not my experience in recent interviews (past few weeks). I suspect that maybe this is only the case for the select few with “gold-plated” credentials (I.E. FAANG on the resume).
- rejectedandsad 5y agoI have FAANG on my resume and this is definitely not the case lol. Then again, it’s Amazon which most people regard to have the dumbest engineers so…
- throwaway_45 5y agoIt really should be FG. Facebook and google pay way better than any of those other companies.
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- rejectedandsad 5y agoI know :( I make around $200k and I feel like dying constantly because I'm not a "tech chad" as they say.
- chronic2703 5y agoAmazon is absolutely a red flag on the resume. Many hiring managers (like myself) do not want to import the toxic, backstabbing, PIP culture from Amazon into our org. Also I’ve noticed the quality of Amazon engineers is lower, on average, compared to Google, ByteDance, FB, Stripe, etc. My advice is to work somewhere not-Amazon for a year or two. Then you’ll get more bites.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> the toxic, backstabbing, PIP culture from Amazon into our org I don't think it's fair to blame this culture on individual line engineers.
- grp000 5y agoI don't think most people at the IC/engineering level would choose that culture, but once they're in and inundated into that environment, how many are going to propagate it out of habit? That's the risk.
- arcticbull 5y agoI agree, however you do end up participating in it, you get used to it, and you bring it with you. That's the fear anyways. I think it's a little bit true. Facebook has similarly nutty PIP ("PSC") culture, and you see it from ex-Facebook folks who run other organizations once they leave. I have seen recruiters red-flag FB/IG managers, depending on why they're leaving FB/IG for this reason. Engineers less so but it definitely comes up in the interview process. It comes up the other way too, when I interview - particularly senior - FB engineers, their first question is "tell me about your PSC culture."
- walshemj 5y agoI think that is pretty much all big companies at this point
- momodadragon 5y agoI've seen recruiters red flag Uber engineers as possibly sexist (and to a lesser extent racist).
- dbish 5y agoThis almost seems like a trolling comment but I’ll respond to add some info from a different POV. FWIW (and as an ex Amazon manager) I haven’t seen this at all for many of the engineers who are my friends and former coworkers. Good engineers from Amazon are in high demand and are getting offers frequently. If you’re an Amazon engineer, you can have a lot of experience running live services at massive scale and that’s invaluable. I also haven’t seen any recruiters who mark Amazon as a red flag, but hey, maybe there are some very particular companies I don’t know about who have a vendetta
- yellow_lead 5y agoMost companies' hiring processes don't vary on per-candidate basis though.
- cmrdporcupine 5y agoI have coming up on 10 years at Google, and a 20 year career total, and the few times I've dipped my toes into the interview water in the last couple years I've pulled it out promptly after being told I'd have to do one of these "leetcode" style interviews. I won't do them. Not worth the stress, I already get paid handsomely and treated with respect. If I'm going to go somewhere else it will because it's less stress or more interesting, and I expect I will get paid less anyways. So jumping through hoops and practicing skill testing algorithm stuff and coding on a whiteboard in front of some disinterested arrogant 20-something-year-old... Not going to happen :-)
- flippinburgers 5y agoHopefully you are enjoying the position you are in because most people, myself included, have no other choice if we want to find better salaries. It is an awful experience in my opinion.
- dbish 5y agoI’ve seen phone screens skipped more frequently recently but not full loops.
- rejectedandsad 5y agoThis used to be fairly common actually. Facebook interns got automatic Google onsites for a long time. Not Amazon or Microsoft interns though - apparently we aren’t worthy.
- bestcoder69 5y agoG skipped my phone screen coming from A.
- rejectedandsad 5y agoDid you pass hiring committee previously?
- bestcoder69 5y agoNo, but I did bring up timing pressure re other FAANG interviews so maybe that did it.
- kilroy123 5y agoI got a new job about ~5 months ago and this was not my experience at all. It was leetcoding questions for days. If you didn't ace it, you'd get ghosted quickly. One place, I did 3 rounds of interviews, an all day take home assignment. I still got ghosted! So I call BS on this quote as well.
- vbtemp 5y agoWas this a FAANG or FAANG-like company where it's likely you'd have TC of $350K plus, or a sub-FAANG company where your TC would likely be in the $100-200K range?
- kilroy123 5y agoLol not at all. It was regular run of the mill startups and small companies. TC like ~$150k-180.
- vbtemp 5y agoIt's interesting to me. When the carrot is TC of $350K+++, sure, anyone is willing to jump through that grinder. But for ordinary run-of-the-mill companies, there are so many that _don't_ have a hazing-like hiring process, I don't know how the ones that do make it.
- hogFeast 5y agoThey don't. That is what the article is about.
- seattle_spring 5y ago> When the carrot is TC of $350K+++, sure, anyone is willing to jump through that grinder Maybe the first time, but I'm well above that mark now and I'd sooner retire early or switch industries over studying leetcode again.
- ipsocannibal 5y agoSame here, applied to a medium sized company and got the standard hackerrank garbage test totally unrelated to the position right off the bat. At least now I know who I don't want to work for.
- chrisseaton 5y agoAt a certain level of seniority people get the 'white glove' treatment where the interview is more about convincing them to take the job. Makes sense to me - if someone already has a reputation and track-record, and it's you that reached out to them, then why are you asking them to prove themselves to you? Most important thing is to prove yourselves to them!
- nemo44x 5y agoExperience and reputation play a big part in this too. As your colleagues branch off to other opportunities they’ll bring your name up when the new company is looking to fill a role. At this point you’re being contacted by VP’s or Directors to gauge your interest.
- ghaff 5y agoWhether it's very top-level salaries or not (or necessarily developers), lots of people take good opportunities in at least somewhat less expensive areas that are very much in keeping with their interests and that are perfectly in keeping with their goals.
- ml_giant 5y agoI recently went through the hiring process for a few companies and while most of them required several technical interviews, one of them never once had me do a coding test. I essentially kept going through the process just to see if they would make me an offer after three conversations (They eventually did make an offer).
- dilap 5y agoNot sure I'd want to work somewhere that didn't do tech interviews (or something equivalent, e.g. project).
- MattGaiser 5y agoDoes any site list how various companies interview? I personally find take home projects very interesting, as I usually get to play with a new technology.
- EastSmith 5y agoIf the company pays well, it seems to me that not asking bubble sorting questions during interview does not matter?
- dilap 5y agoYMMV, but I find that by talking with a person and solving problems with them I get a much better sense of their abilities than by just reading resumes or listening to recommendations.
- hhjinks 5y agoA friend of mine had job offer with a 24-hour deadline on hand. A past colleague of ours gave him a referral at his company, and he received an offer with ~80% higher TC an hour later after a quick phone screen. Happened in Norway.
- polishdude20 5y agoA bit of my experience: I recently switched careers going from teaching to tech and the job I now have, during the interview, didn't ask me to do any coding tests. They asked me a bunch of questions in zoom about my experiences doing certain things relating to the job and I was able to answer them with examples of how I did those things with a previous project I worked on. Got the offer the next day and I'm very grateful it turned out to be such a smooth and stress free experience.