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you missed the 2nd part: access to a nutritionist or have a lot of knowledge about nutrition yourself. there is no way average joe can figure all these things

you missed the 2nd part: access to a nutritionist or have a lot of knowledge about nutrition yourself. there is no way average joe can figure all these things out on a limited budget + limited time evolutionary considerations are a part if everything. you cannot ignore how you got here and biology

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colordrops 5y ago
If you want to look at health outcomes, the average diet of the nutritionally ignorant is almost always going to be worse than a vegan diet, ignorantly planned or not. The majority of the US populace (mostly meat eating) is very unhealthy and sick due to nutritional ignorance, so this is a very weak argument. Furthermore, meat is a known carcinogen and inflammatory. Its absurd to me that health reasons are attempted to be used as an argument against plant based diets. To be frank, using the argument that plant based diets are "privileged" is cynical and disingenuous.
- rantwasp 5y ago
  almost always. isn’t that convenient? do you have any data to back this up? average joe != nutritionally ignorant. You may understand a few things about nutrition, but if you don’t understand a lot of things you’re going to have a bad time being 100% vegan. If you eat meat and you stick to a diet of minimally processed meat + fruits/vegetables you’d be fine. Is meat inflammatory and carcinogen? Here’s the thing: we’ve been eating meat since we turned homo sapiens sapiens. Is the meat or the way that it’s processed a problem? Can you put in the same bucket organic grass fed beef and mystery meat hotdogs? https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 Plant based and vegan eating are almost entirely the land of privileged people. I have never met someone who was a vegan and living on minimum wage, had a job that involved hard physical work or had a lot of responsibility/lacked free time and disposable income. Please prove me wrong and help me change my mind if it’s not the case and you have good examples/pointers.
  - caeril 5y ago
    Arguing this topic is a waste of your time. Eat delicious healthy meat, lift, and let these people enjoy their metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and dementia. It's not your problem.
    - colordrops 5y ago
      Yes it is a waste of anyone's time if they are going to ignore the science or cherry pick irrelevant studies.
      - rantwasp 5y ago
        did you look at the study? show me one of your relevant vegan studies that has 500k participants. go ahead. i’ll wait.
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      i don’t know. i’m open to change my mind but i have not learned anything new unfinished.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    > average joe != nutritionally ignorant The CDC begs to differ: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      normally I would just say: appeal to authority, but since it’s the CDC and they have royalty screwed up the pandemic response I’m gonna go the extra mile: “fuck the CDC”
      - colordrops 5y ago
        Ok so CDC is lying about body weight stats, got it. No point in discussing with you further.

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colordrops 5y ago

If you want to look at health outcomes, the average diet of the nutritionally ignorant is almost always going to be worse than a vegan diet, ignorantly planned or not. The majority of the US populace (mostly meat eating) is very unhealthy and sick due to nutritional ignorance, so this is a very weak argument. Furthermore, meat is a known carcinogen and inflammatory. Its absurd to me that health reasons are attempted to be used as an argument against plant based diets. To be frank, using the argument that plant based diets are "privileged" is cynical and disingenuous.

rantwasp 5y ago
almost always. isn’t that convenient? do you have any data to back this up? average joe != nutritionally ignorant. You may understand a few things about nutrition, but if you don’t understand a lot of things you’re going to have a bad time being 100% vegan. If you eat meat and you stick to a diet of minimally processed meat + fruits/vegetables you’d be fine. Is meat inflammatory and carcinogen? Here’s the thing: we’ve been eating meat since we turned homo sapiens sapiens. Is the meat or the way that it’s processed a problem? Can you put in the same bucket organic grass fed beef and mystery meat hotdogs? https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 Plant based and vegan eating are almost entirely the land of privileged people. I have never met someone who was a vegan and living on minimum wage, had a job that involved hard physical work or had a lot of responsibility/lacked free time and disposable income. Please prove me wrong and help me change my mind if it’s not the case and you have good examples/pointers.
- caeril 5y ago
  Arguing this topic is a waste of your time. Eat delicious healthy meat, lift, and let these people enjoy their metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and dementia. It's not your problem.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Yes it is a waste of anyone's time if they are going to ignore the science or cherry pick irrelevant studies.
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      did you look at the study? show me one of your relevant vegan studies that has 500k participants. go ahead. i’ll wait.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    i don’t know. i’m open to change my mind but i have not learned anything new unfinished.
- colordrops 5y ago
  > average joe != nutritionally ignorant The CDC begs to differ: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    normally I would just say: appeal to authority, but since it’s the CDC and they have royalty screwed up the pandemic response I’m gonna go the extra mile: “fuck the CDC”
    - colordrops 5y ago
      Ok so CDC is lying about body weight stats, got it. No point in discussing with you further.