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Does it matter? Tomorrow morning you can wake up needing those accessibility features.

wyager 5y ago
Of course it matters. If your model of the world is “we need to spend infinite resources ensuring every system can be operated by anyone with any disability”, that’s obviously nonsense. Accessibility is valuable but not infinitely so. Sometimes (usually) it’s best not to encumber an innovation just because the innovation doesn’t immediately apply to everyone.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  You're answering a statement no one made. They asked "what does it cost vs just ignoring it". The point is just ignoring it (in other words assigning it 0 value) shouldn't be on the table. I'm also giving this person the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're not asking if accessibility costs infinity dollars.
MattGaiser 5y ago
I am trying to get a sense of how big an ask this is. Is it a million dollar ask? 100K? A million a year (does it need a full time team)?
- arp242 5y ago
  It really depends on the specifics; for something like this I suspect it's a non-trivial investment. For a lot of other things it's not that hard. For a lot of things a18y features are just good features in general; zooming text for example is something loads of people do, not just blind or low-vision people.
  - mwcampbell 5y ago
    For the specific project of making this remote browser accessible, my wild guess is that if Cloudflare were to hire me to work on the project (no, not available at the moment), it could easily take a few months, but probably not more than a year. They could probably cut down that time if they hired away someone from the Chrome or Edge team who's actually an expert on Chromium accessibility specifically; I admit my main expertise is in Windows accessibility.
- robin_reala 5y ago
  It’s part of every product team’s baseline requirements to own and assess. It’s considerably easier to do that up front than to retrofit. Think of it as analogous to security in this situation.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
  The cost is considerably lower if you watch out for a11y from the get-go, retrofitting it is more expensive since you have to retain the existing behavior, sometimes of existing and complex but non-accessible components. Add to that the need to e.g. caption all the existing pictures and it gets even worse.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  That's like asking "is writing a feature is a million dollar ask" without defining "feature". Need to define it at least a little to get anything resembling a useful answer.

Of course it matters. If your model of the world is “we need to spend infinite resources ensuring every system can be operated by anyone with any disability”, that’s obviously nonsense. Accessibility is valuable but not infinitely so. Sometimes (usually) it’s best not to encumber an innovation just because the innovation doesn’t immediately apply to everyone.

BoorishBears 5y ago
You're answering a statement no one made. They asked "what does it cost vs just ignoring it". The point is just ignoring it (in other words assigning it 0 value) shouldn't be on the table. I'm also giving this person the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're not asking if accessibility costs infinity dollars.

MattGaiser 5y ago

I am trying to get a sense of how big an ask this is. Is it a million dollar ask? 100K? A million a year (does it need a full time team)?

arp242 5y ago
It really depends on the specifics; for something like this I suspect it's a non-trivial investment. For a lot of other things it's not that hard. For a lot of things a18y features are just good features in general; zooming text for example is something loads of people do, not just blind or low-vision people.
- mwcampbell 5y ago
  For the specific project of making this remote browser accessible, my wild guess is that if Cloudflare were to hire me to work on the project (no, not available at the moment), it could easily take a few months, but probably not more than a year. They could probably cut down that time if they hired away someone from the Chrome or Edge team who's actually an expert on Chromium accessibility specifically; I admit my main expertise is in Windows accessibility.
robin_reala 5y ago
It’s part of every product team’s baseline requirements to own and assess. It’s considerably easier to do that up front than to retrofit. Think of it as analogous to security in this situation.
isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
The cost is considerably lower if you watch out for a11y from the get-go, retrofitting it is more expensive since you have to retain the existing behavior, sometimes of existing and complex but non-accessible components. Add to that the need to e.g. caption all the existing pictures and it gets even worse.
BoorishBears 5y ago
That's like asking "is writing a feature is a million dollar ask" without defining "feature". Need to define it at least a little to get anything resembling a useful answer.