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posted some references in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 also, start with this and do a bit

posted some references in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 also, start with this and do a bit of research: https://michaelkummer.com/health/plants-vs-meat/ https://michaelkummer.com/health/plants-vs-meat/

colordrops 5y ago
Scientific studies would be better sources of information than articles. In any case, the evolutionary discussions are not an argument for modern diets, for obvious reasons. The only thing with any merit in the links you posted is about DHA. Your body CAN produce it from plant sources, but if you must insist on taking DHA, it comes from algae, and there are algal sources. Animal sources get it from algae as well. If you are suggesting nutricional deficiencies due to DHA you need to provide real references indicating that, and not general articles on the nutritional profiles of meat vs vegetables that make vague associations with health outcomes.
- rantwasp 5y ago
  you missed the 2nd part: access to a nutritionist or have a lot of knowledge about nutrition yourself. there is no way average joe can figure all these things out on a limited budget + limited time evolutionary considerations are a part if everything. you cannot ignore how you got here and biology
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  - colordrops 5y ago
    If you want to look at health outcomes, the average diet of the nutritionally ignorant is almost always going to be worse than a vegan diet, ignorantly planned or not. The majority of the US populace (mostly meat eating) is very unhealthy and sick due to nutritional ignorance, so this is a very weak argument. Furthermore, meat is a known carcinogen and inflammatory. Its absurd to me that health reasons are attempted to be used as an argument against plant based diets. To be frank, using the argument that plant based diets are "privileged" is cynical and disingenuous.
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      almost always. isn’t that convenient? do you have any data to back this up? average joe != nutritionally ignorant. You may understand a few things about nutrition, but if you don’t understand a lot of things you’re going to have a bad time being 100% vegan. If you eat meat and you stick to a diet of minimally processed meat + fruits/vegetables you’d be fine. Is meat inflammatory and carcinogen? Here’s the thing: we’ve been eating meat since we turned homo sapiens sapiens. Is the meat or the way that it’s processed a problem? Can you put in the same bucket organic grass fed beef and mystery meat hotdogs? https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 Plant based and vegan eating are almost entirely the land of privileged people. I have never met someone who was a vegan and living on minimum wage, had a job that involved hard physical work or had a lot of responsibility/lacked free time and disposable income. Please prove me wrong and help me change my mind if it’s not the case and you have good examples/pointers.
      - caeril 5y ago
        Arguing this topic is a waste of your time. Eat delicious healthy meat, lift, and let these people enjoy their metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and dementia. It's not your problem.
        colordrops 5y ago
        Yes it is a waste of anyone's time if they are going to ignore the science or cherry pick irrelevant studies.
        rantwasp 5y ago
        did you look at the study? show me one of your relevant vegan studies that has 500k participants. go ahead. i’ll wait.
        rantwasp 5y ago
        i don’t know. i’m open to change my mind but i have not learned anything new unfinished.

colordrops 5y ago

Scientific studies would be better sources of information than articles. In any case, the evolutionary discussions are not an argument for modern diets, for obvious reasons. The only thing with any merit in the links you posted is about DHA. Your body CAN produce it from plant sources, but if you must insist on taking DHA, it comes from algae, and there are algal sources. Animal sources get it from algae as well. If you are suggesting nutricional deficiencies due to DHA you need to provide real references indicating that, and not general articles on the nutritional profiles of meat vs vegetables that make vague associations with health outcomes.

rantwasp 5y ago
you missed the 2nd part: access to a nutritionist or have a lot of knowledge about nutrition yourself. there is no way average joe can figure all these things out on a limited budget + limited time evolutionary considerations are a part if everything. you cannot ignore how you got here and biology
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- colordrops 5y ago
  If you want to look at health outcomes, the average diet of the nutritionally ignorant is almost always going to be worse than a vegan diet, ignorantly planned or not. The majority of the US populace (mostly meat eating) is very unhealthy and sick due to nutritional ignorance, so this is a very weak argument. Furthermore, meat is a known carcinogen and inflammatory. Its absurd to me that health reasons are attempted to be used as an argument against plant based diets. To be frank, using the argument that plant based diets are "privileged" is cynical and disingenuous.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    almost always. isn’t that convenient? do you have any data to back this up? average joe != nutritionally ignorant. You may understand a few things about nutrition, but if you don’t understand a lot of things you’re going to have a bad time being 100% vegan. If you eat meat and you stick to a diet of minimally processed meat + fruits/vegetables you’d be fine. Is meat inflammatory and carcinogen? Here’s the thing: we’ve been eating meat since we turned homo sapiens sapiens. Is the meat or the way that it’s processed a problem? Can you put in the same bucket organic grass fed beef and mystery meat hotdogs? https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 Plant based and vegan eating are almost entirely the land of privileged people. I have never met someone who was a vegan and living on minimum wage, had a job that involved hard physical work or had a lot of responsibility/lacked free time and disposable income. Please prove me wrong and help me change my mind if it’s not the case and you have good examples/pointers.
    - caeril 5y ago
      Arguing this topic is a waste of your time. Eat delicious healthy meat, lift, and let these people enjoy their metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and dementia. It's not your problem.
      - colordrops 5y ago
        Yes it is a waste of anyone's time if they are going to ignore the science or cherry pick irrelevant studies.
        rantwasp 5y ago
        did you look at the study? show me one of your relevant vegan studies that has 500k participants. go ahead. i’ll wait.
      - rantwasp 5y ago
        i don’t know. i’m open to change my mind but i have not learned anything new unfinished.