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Not "an", but many animals not only die, but suffer their entire lives, and then die.

• danaris 5y ago
  Then let's solve that problem, rather than abandoning meat, dairy, and, for reasons that no one I've encountered has ever been able to explain rationally, honey. I totally agree that we have an awful problem with inhumane treatment of animals at factory farms in our society, but the logical answer to that is absolutely not veganism.
  • colordrops 5y ago
    > absolutely not Why not? Why not both? As it is, there are huge powerful interests that drive factory farming are preventing much movement in the right direction on farms. In the meantime abstaining from meat is a fine option, especially since it is also healthy.
    • danaris 5y ago
      To be clear, I'm saying that veganism is not the logical solution to the problem of animal abuse by factory farms. The logical solution to animal abuse by factory farms would be measures preventing factory farms from abusing animals. Veganism, specifically, is only a logical solution to the purported problem that killing animals for their meat, or getting any other animal product by any means, is unethical. Personally, while I can see some logic in the claim that killing animals for their meat is unethical (I disagree with it, but see where it's coming from), I find the claims that milk, eggs, and wool are unethical to be highly questionable, at best, and the claims that honey is unethical to be truly absurd.
  • user-the-name 5y ago
    Yes, let's solve that problem. It will take decades, maybe centuries. It will require turning entire economies upside down. It will make meat unaffordable to many. And at the end of it, animals will still die, just less miserably. But yes, it would be an improvement, it is worth doing. However, meanwhile, you can still stop eating meat, and save a few animals form their miserable torture and death.