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nope. Eating a 100% vegan diet without taking any supplements and without having access to a great nutritionist will make you have a bad time. It’s stupid hard

nope. Eating a 100% vegan diet without taking any supplements and without having access to a great nutritionist will make you have a bad time. It’s stupid hard to get all the nutrients you need without meat and you need to be in a privileged position to start with to do this successfully.

colordrops 5y ago
Do you have any references? Other than supplementation of B12, which meat eaters should do as well, there is no scientific evidence that "it's stupid hard" and you need a nutritionist. In fact, the only thing you need to know is to eat plenty of whole grains, legumes, and green vegetables and you WILL get your needed nutrients and proteins. Prove otherwise please - which nutritional requirements would not be met?
- rantwasp 5y ago
  posted some references in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 also, start with this and do a bit of research: https://michaelkummer.com/health/plants-vs-meat/ https://michaelkummer.com/health/plants-vs-meat/
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Scientific studies would be better sources of information than articles. In any case, the evolutionary discussions are not an argument for modern diets, for obvious reasons. The only thing with any merit in the links you posted is about DHA. Your body CAN produce it from plant sources, but if you must insist on taking DHA, it comes from algae, and there are algal sources. Animal sources get it from algae as well. If you are suggesting nutricional deficiencies due to DHA you need to provide real references indicating that, and not general articles on the nutritional profiles of meat vs vegetables that make vague associations with health outcomes.
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      you missed the 2nd part: access to a nutritionist or have a lot of knowledge about nutrition yourself. there is no way average joe can figure all these things out on a limited budget + limited time evolutionary considerations are a part if everything. you cannot ignore how you got here and biology
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      - colordrops 5y ago
        If you want to look at health outcomes, the average diet of the nutritionally ignorant is almost always going to be worse than a vegan diet, ignorantly planned or not. The majority of the US populace (mostly meat eating) is very unhealthy and sick due to nutritional ignorance, so this is a very weak argument. Furthermore, meat is a known carcinogen and inflammatory. Its absurd to me that health reasons are attempted to be used as an argument against plant based diets. To be frank, using the argument that plant based diets are "privileged" is cynical and disingenuous.
        rantwasp 5y ago
        almost always. isn’t that convenient? do you have any data to back this up? average joe != nutritionally ignorant. You may understand a few things about nutrition, but if you don’t understand a lot of things you’re going to have a bad time being 100% vegan. If you eat meat and you stick to a diet of minimally processed meat + fruits/vegetables you’d be fine. Is meat inflammatory and carcinogen? Here’s the thing: we’ve been eating meat since we turned homo sapiens sapiens. Is the meat or the way that it’s processed a problem? Can you put in the same bucket organic grass fed beef and mystery meat hotdogs? https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 Plant based and vegan eating are almost entirely the land of privileged people. I have never met someone who was a vegan and living on minimum wage, had a job that involved hard physical work or had a lot of responsibility/lacked free time and disposable income. Please prove me wrong and help me change my mind if it’s not the case and you have good examples/pointers.

colordrops 5y ago

Do you have any references? Other than supplementation of B12, which meat eaters should do as well, there is no scientific evidence that "it's stupid hard" and you need a nutritionist. In fact, the only thing you need to know is to eat plenty of whole grains, legumes, and green vegetables and you WILL get your needed nutrients and proteins. Prove otherwise please - which nutritional requirements would not be met?

rantwasp 5y ago
posted some references in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28028126 also, start with this and do a bit of research: https://michaelkummer.com/health/plants-vs-meat/ https://michaelkummer.com/health/plants-vs-meat/
- colordrops 5y ago
  Scientific studies would be better sources of information than articles. In any case, the evolutionary discussions are not an argument for modern diets, for obvious reasons. The only thing with any merit in the links you posted is about DHA. Your body CAN produce it from plant sources, but if you must insist on taking DHA, it comes from algae, and there are algal sources. Animal sources get it from algae as well. If you are suggesting nutricional deficiencies due to DHA you need to provide real references indicating that, and not general articles on the nutritional profiles of meat vs vegetables that make vague associations with health outcomes.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    you missed the 2nd part: access to a nutritionist or have a lot of knowledge about nutrition yourself. there is no way average joe can figure all these things out on a limited budget + limited time evolutionary considerations are a part if everything. you cannot ignore how you got here and biology
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - colordrops 5y ago
      If you want to look at health outcomes, the average diet of the nutritionally ignorant is almost always going to be worse than a vegan diet, ignorantly planned or not. The majority of the US populace (mostly meat eating) is very unhealthy and sick due to nutritional ignorance, so this is a very weak argument. Furthermore, meat is a known carcinogen and inflammatory. Its absurd to me that health reasons are attempted to be used as an argument against plant based diets. To be frank, using the argument that plant based diets are "privileged" is cynical and disingenuous.
      - rantwasp 5y ago
        almost always. isn’t that convenient? do you have any data to back this up? average joe != nutritionally ignorant. You may understand a few things about nutrition, but if you don’t understand a lot of things you’re going to have a bad time being 100% vegan. If you eat meat and you stick to a diet of minimally processed meat + fruits/vegetables you’d be fine. Is meat inflammatory and carcinogen? Here’s the thing: we’ve been eating meat since we turned homo sapiens sapiens. Is the meat or the way that it’s processed a problem? Can you put in the same bucket organic grass fed beef and mystery meat hotdogs? https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922 Plant based and vegan eating are almost entirely the land of privileged people. I have never met someone who was a vegan and living on minimum wage, had a job that involved hard physical work or had a lot of responsibility/lacked free time and disposable income. Please prove me wrong and help me change my mind if it’s not the case and you have good examples/pointers.