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This is a simplistic child-like logic. Not even sure how to address it.

rantwasp 5y ago
I does raise an important question. Why do we have predators and why do we even have a food chain? Is it possible that evolutionary consuming meat gives you an advantage?
- user-the-name 5y ago
  There is no "why". We do, that is a fact of life and we can not, at the current time, do anything to change this. It is not due to a choice that we made, nor can we make a choice to change it. If, one day, we are in a position where we can make that choice, then that will be a relevant moral question to decide.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Do you mean predators in general or just humans? Because humans can definitely make a choice right now.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      Predators in general was the topic, for some reason.
prepend 5y ago
Maybe take it apart piece by piece. For example, the argument that killing animals for food is immoral. If that’s true then nature is immoral. Perhaps because humans are uniquely sapient, we can avoid this. But that presumes that humans are uniquely superior to recognize this over all other carnivors.
- colordrops 5y ago
  Thanks for helping break it down. I'll address it using your help. > But that presumes that humans are uniquely superior to recognize this over all other carnivors [sic]. It doesn't need to involve a value judgment that we are somehow "superior". It just requires recognizing the obvious, that we are indeed uniquely sapient. Furthermore the argument for killing animals is using the flawed appeal to nature, which doesn't work for rape or any other of the countless "natural" activities we overcame with our sapience.
  - prepend 5y ago
    To clarify, I wasn’t saying that because meateating occurs in nature, it is correct. I was pointing out that if meateating is wrong, then there’s lots of other things we have to deal with. That is just one of the simplest, pragmatic I think, reasons to dispute “all meateating is bad.” Note, I think we should eat meat in a humane way so actually think this california law is helpful. I just don’t think that all meat eating is bad.
- geofft 5y ago
  Birds poop on car windshields all the time, so how come when I do it, it's "public indecency"? If that's true then nature is immoral. Why is this cop presuming that humans are uniquely superior to recognize this over all other animals? And don't get me started on this law that I have to be clothed.... No other animal is clothed. Maybe humans are the ones who are wrong? Really makes you think.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  True, true, and true.

I does raise an important question. Why do we have predators and why do we even have a food chain? Is it possible that evolutionary consuming meat gives you an advantage?

user-the-name 5y ago
There is no "why". We do, that is a fact of life and we can not, at the current time, do anything to change this. It is not due to a choice that we made, nor can we make a choice to change it. If, one day, we are in a position where we can make that choice, then that will be a relevant moral question to decide.
- colordrops 5y ago
  Do you mean predators in general or just humans? Because humans can definitely make a choice right now.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Predators in general was the topic, for some reason.

prepend 5y ago

Maybe take it apart piece by piece. For example, the argument that killing animals for food is immoral. If that’s true then nature is immoral. Perhaps because humans are uniquely sapient, we can avoid this. But that presumes that humans are uniquely superior to recognize this over all other carnivors.

colordrops 5y ago
Thanks for helping break it down. I'll address it using your help. > But that presumes that humans are uniquely superior to recognize this over all other carnivors [sic]. It doesn't need to involve a value judgment that we are somehow "superior". It just requires recognizing the obvious, that we are indeed uniquely sapient. Furthermore the argument for killing animals is using the flawed appeal to nature, which doesn't work for rape or any other of the countless "natural" activities we overcame with our sapience.
- prepend 5y ago
  To clarify, I wasn’t saying that because meateating occurs in nature, it is correct. I was pointing out that if meateating is wrong, then there’s lots of other things we have to deal with. That is just one of the simplest, pragmatic I think, reasons to dispute “all meateating is bad.” Note, I think we should eat meat in a humane way so actually think this california law is helpful. I just don’t think that all meat eating is bad.
geofft 5y ago
Birds poop on car windshields all the time, so how come when I do it, it's "public indecency"? If that's true then nature is immoral. Why is this cop presuming that humans are uniquely superior to recognize this over all other animals? And don't get me started on this law that I have to be clothed.... No other animal is clothed. Maybe humans are the ones who are wrong? Really makes you think.
user-the-name 5y ago
True, true, and true.