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Who Are the Unvaccinated in America?

12 points by nanis 5y ago

bravetraveler 5y ago
Note: I didn't get a chance to read this as I don't have an account with them - just some conjecture below I feel like I'm part of an often overlooked demographic - I'm unvaccinated (for now), but probably for not common reasons. To be clear, I'm fully planning to get the Covid vaccine. Likely in the next few weeks now that my plate is clearing As for why? I work (from home) and they do remarkably well at keeping me floored. I more or less stay isolated... Since before the pandemic I live alone, never visit anyone or have visitors I just finished one of the worst moves in my life too. I'm almost certain I had Covid in the months leading to lockdown, too (forced travel for work) In the past six months... That move is the only real reason why I've left the house at all. It's the only thing I've really done other than work from home I don't feel like one of those types with a wishy washy excuse, I've just been incredibly busy and low risk; effectively a shut in Some of it's laziness I admit, but when I had several deadlines... The prospect of losing a couple days for recovery was a tough sell, considering I'm unlikely to be (meaningfully) exposed
- the_lonely_road 5y ago
  https://web.archive.org/web/20210801132849/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210801132849/https://www.nytim... Link to read with no account.
  - bravetraveler 5y ago
    Nice trick, ty
- landemva 5y ago
  I thought I had it in February. I finally got around to paying $25 for finger prick blood test at local pharmacy. I tested with the antibodies. I am glad I know.
troydavis 5y ago
For folks who want primary-source data: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/07/15/why-wont-americans-get-vaccinated-poll-data https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... And the crosstabs: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf Item 11 on pages 31-33 breaks down vaccine status/plan by different demographics. The "I will not get vaccinated" answer is most strongly correlated with self-identifying as a conservative (34% will not get a vaccine) or having voted for Trump in 2020 (33% will not). Either trait is by far the strongest predictor of whether someone says they won’t get a vaccine (rather than that they’re undecided or vaccinated). Age, race, education level, gender, and income are far less correlated if at all. The “I’m not sure” response is much less correlated with those 2 things. It’s also much smaller, though. Separately, Item 6 asks whether the respondent knows someone who has tested positive. The answers are almost identical between these groups. That is, self-identified political ideology and 2020 Presidential vote are not at all correlated with COVID exposure in one’s network. Folks are working with roughly the same firsthand experiences.
chiefalchemist 5y ago
There three additional groups who are part of the unvax'ed set. - Those who - for health or other legit reasons - can not get the jab. - Those who are not old enough, per the FDA, CDC, etc. - Those who are old enough but their parents don't want them to get the jab. It would help if there was transparency when there's a refernce such as "X% of Delta cases are the unvaxinated." Why the ambiguity? Why leave it to assuming? It should also be noted there are four groups of the vaccinated - J&J one jab - Pfizer and Moderna one jab - P and M both jabs - P and M two jabs, one of each. Fringe, but they exist.
- jwalton 5y ago
  First dose Pfizer, second dose Moderna is quite common in Ontario. We had a ton of supply of Pfizer, so many got it as their first dose, but by the time second dose time came around, Pfizer was approved for teens and Moderna was not, so a lot ended up with Moderna as the second dose.
- detaro 5y ago
  > Pfizer and Moderna one jab Is that in combination with a previous infection?
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    Possibly because they are in the period of time after the first jab, but before the second?
    - detaro 5y ago
      that's usually not counted as "vaccinated" though
      - nanis 5y ago
        FWIW, unless explicitly otherwise specified, official stats only consider people who have had two weeks since second does as vaccinated for the purpose of counting how many vaccinated get infected, hospitalized, or die.
mandmandam 5y ago
> "The C.D.C. recommends vaccines even for people who have been infected with the virus. Some evidence suggests a prior infection offers less protection than a vaccine, particularly against variants like Delta." Does it really? I've not seen any such evidence, and have a hard time believing it. It sure doesn't help that there's no link or mention of what this evidence might be.
- jinpa_zangpo 5y ago
  When I've asked the question, the answer offered is that vaccines produce higher antigen levels than natural immunity. However, I don't believe this is evidence that vaccines produce longer lasting immunity.

12 points by nanis 5y ago

Note: I didn't get a chance to read this as I don't have an account with them - just some conjecture below I feel like I'm part of an often overlooked demographic - I'm unvaccinated (for now), but probably for not common reasons. To be clear, I'm fully planning to get the Covid vaccine. Likely in the next few weeks now that my plate is clearing As for why? I work (from home) and they do remarkably well at keeping me floored. I more or less stay isolated... Since before the pandemic I live alone, never visit anyone or have visitors I just finished one of the worst moves in my life too. I'm almost certain I had Covid in the months leading to lockdown, too (forced travel for work) In the past six months... That move is the only real reason why I've left the house at all. It's the only thing I've really done other than work from home I don't feel like one of those types with a wishy washy excuse, I've just been incredibly busy and low risk; effectively a shut in Some of it's laziness I admit, but when I had several deadlines... The prospect of losing a couple days for recovery was a tough sell, considering I'm unlikely to be (meaningfully) exposed

the_lonely_road 5y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20210801132849/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210801132849/https://www.nytim... Link to read with no account.
- bravetraveler 5y ago
  Nice trick, ty
landemva 5y ago
I thought I had it in February. I finally got around to paying $25 for finger prick blood test at local pharmacy. I tested with the antibodies. I am glad I know.

troydavis 5y ago

For folks who want primary-source data: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/07/15/why-wont-americans-get-vaccinated-poll-data https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... And the crosstabs: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf Item 11 on pages 31-33 breaks down vaccine status/plan by different demographics. The "I will not get vaccinated" answer is most strongly correlated with self-identifying as a conservative (34% will not get a vaccine) or having voted for Trump in 2020 (33% will not). Either trait is by far the strongest predictor of whether someone says they won’t get a vaccine (rather than that they’re undecided or vaccinated). Age, race, education level, gender, and income are far less correlated if at all. The “I’m not sure” response is much less correlated with those 2 things. It’s also much smaller, though. Separately, Item 6 asks whether the respondent knows someone who has tested positive. The answers are almost identical between these groups. That is, self-identified political ideology and 2020 Presidential vote are not at all correlated with COVID exposure in one’s network. Folks are working with roughly the same firsthand experiences.

chiefalchemist 5y ago

There three additional groups who are part of the unvax'ed set. - Those who - for health or other legit reasons - can not get the jab. - Those who are not old enough, per the FDA, CDC, etc. - Those who are old enough but their parents don't want them to get the jab. It would help if there was transparency when there's a refernce such as "X% of Delta cases are the unvaxinated." Why the ambiguity? Why leave it to assuming? It should also be noted there are four groups of the vaccinated - J&J one jab - Pfizer and Moderna one jab - P and M both jabs - P and M two jabs, one of each. Fringe, but they exist.

jwalton 5y ago
First dose Pfizer, second dose Moderna is quite common in Ontario. We had a ton of supply of Pfizer, so many got it as their first dose, but by the time second dose time came around, Pfizer was approved for teens and Moderna was not, so a lot ended up with Moderna as the second dose.
detaro 5y ago
> Pfizer and Moderna one jab Is that in combination with a previous infection?
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Possibly because they are in the period of time after the first jab, but before the second?
  - detaro 5y ago
    that's usually not counted as "vaccinated" though
    - nanis 5y ago
      FWIW, unless explicitly otherwise specified, official stats only consider people who have had two weeks since second does as vaccinated for the purpose of counting how many vaccinated get infected, hospitalized, or die.

mandmandam 5y ago

> "The C.D.C. recommends vaccines even for people who have been infected with the virus. Some evidence suggests a prior infection offers less protection than a vaccine, particularly against variants like Delta." Does it really? I've not seen any such evidence, and have a hard time believing it. It sure doesn't help that there's no link or mention of what this evidence might be.

jinpa_zangpo 5y ago
When I've asked the question, the answer offered is that vaccines produce higher antigen levels than natural immunity. However, I don't believe this is evidence that vaccines produce longer lasting immunity.