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The issue is that 'Krav Maga' or 'dirty techniques' are not immediately, 100% effective. This is fallacious/magical thinking. So is 'learning how to deal with a

The issue is that 'Krav Maga' or 'dirty techniques' are not immediately, 100% effective. This is fallacious/magical thinking. So is 'learning how to deal with attackers with knives, guns'. Just because a Krav Maga instructor told that you these things work, doesn't mean that they actually do. If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. Guys could attack the eyes, kick the groin, etc., yet the BJJ guys won! No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something

crazydoggers 5y ago
> The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. You’re still talking about a sport. Vale Tudo was a circus attraction meaning it was about making money. Opponents were pre-determined. On top of that knowing you’re not going to die makes a hell of a lot of difference. And I’m not saying martial arts have zero practical value, they do. Just that TV, sports shows, circus attractions, in no way mimic real life. > No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something Except when early matches were ended after someone broke an arm, lost teeth etc? Things which are now banned because it makes the sport less fun. > If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. This is simply untrue. Law enforcement, military, body guards etc routinely practice this stuff. You may get stabbed, but the idea is to end the confrontation, as quickly as possible. That means distractions or incapacitation and then disarming/leaving/running, etc. Knives are almost always hidden and shielded during an attack. So most of self defense against knives is being aware of the situation. You’re not practicing martial art move sets… your practicing how to keep your wits about you and react quickly. Here’s a great example. There’s no protracted fight, and is an excellent example of how to end a knife attack before it begins. You need to train not to escalate, to act like you don’t want any trouble so their guard is down, and then quickly end it. https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 And here’s a rundown of how knife attacks happen, the things good self defense teaches: https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-against-knife-attacks.html?m=1 https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-aga...

crazydoggers 5y ago

> The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. You’re still talking about a sport. Vale Tudo was a circus attraction meaning it was about making money. Opponents were pre-determined. On top of that knowing you’re not going to die makes a hell of a lot of difference. And I’m not saying martial arts have zero practical value, they do. Just that TV, sports shows, circus attractions, in no way mimic real life. > No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something Except when early matches were ended after someone broke an arm, lost teeth etc? Things which are now banned because it makes the sport less fun. > If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. This is simply untrue. Law enforcement, military, body guards etc routinely practice this stuff. You may get stabbed, but the idea is to end the confrontation, as quickly as possible. That means distractions or incapacitation and then disarming/leaving/running, etc. Knives are almost always hidden and shielded during an attack. So most of self defense against knives is being aware of the situation. You’re not practicing martial art move sets… your practicing how to keep your wits about you and react quickly. Here’s a great example. There’s no protracted fight, and is an excellent example of how to end a knife attack before it begins. You need to train not to escalate, to act like you don’t want any trouble so their guard is down, and then quickly end it. https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 And here’s a rundown of how knife attacks happen, the things good self defense teaches: https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-against-knife-attacks.html?m=1 https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-aga...