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Turkish drones have won three wars: >Turkey used these drones to eliminate Kurdish resistance within Turkish borders >Turkey used drones to defeat various gro

Turkish drones have won three wars: >Turkey used these drones to eliminate Kurdish resistance within Turkish borders >Turkey used drones to defeat various groups in Syria that were opposing Turkish influence >Azerbaijan used Turkish drones to win the war against Armenia The succesful Turkish drone program is named after a Turkish MIT graduate who played a central role in the development of these drones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayraktar_TB2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayraktar_TB2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sel%C3%A7uk_Bayraktar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sel%C3%A7uk_Bayraktar Drone wars have come to stay.

dmitriid 5y ago
They also have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Anka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Anka
steve19 5y ago
> Turkish MIT graduate who played a central role in the development I am sure being Erdoğan's son in law helped more to obtain his position than being an MIT graduate.
- Tuna-Fish 5y ago
  The causality is backwards here. He achieved his position first, became the CTO of probably the most important Turkish tech company and then met Erdoğan's daughter.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Yes, this truly doesn't tell anything about Turkey having very robust tech industry, and legions of very qualified engineers, many times the number of other countries their size. Be him Erdo's in law, or not will not make any difference to Turkey having many other equally well performing heavy industry, and military hardware companies. This is very distracting from the serious conversation when everybody keeps calling out one man's family status, having no bearing whatsoever on the wider industry as a whole, as a sole thing worth talking about Turkish industry.
  - hsn915 5y ago
    It's probably inconceivable from a Western perspective. Samo Burja has an interesting clip where he talks about the succession problem, and briefly mentions the Japanese practice of adopting someone by getting them to marry your daughter. He also talks about how this would not work in modern day America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPjhrV4G9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPjhrV4G9c (last two minutes talks about Japan)
- beebeepka 5y ago
  That was what I was going to say. Also, they don't actually build the thing themselves but rather buy all the parts. Not that any of it matters on the battlefield. Certainly not to their current enemies. They get blown just the same
  - aaaxyz 5y ago
    I was under the impression that western suppliers stopped exporting to Turkey after the Artsakh "conflict" so that they now manufacture most parts themselves (reverse-engineered or not)
sschueller 5y ago
And thanks to the American moral leadership with drones innocent people will not be bombed. /s oh wait the US just put the Whistleblower that showed most US drone attacks kill innocent people in prison for 4 years. Our moral standing in the world is in the gutter which is extremely sad. Don't expect Turkey to be even close to the US moral standard. We are heading to a very sad future.
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  Considering the lengths the US has gone to develop highly localized and targeted systems, like literally using knife missiles instead of bombs, your despair confuses me. Using drone strikes actually leads to much fewer unintentional deaths than classical warfare. Boots on the ground not only lead to more direct casualties, but the knock of effects of the infrastructure disruption inevitably leads to orders of magnitude more beyond that. Targeted drone strikes, in terms of the ratio of unintended death to intended death are honestly better for everyone involved (except the target :P).
  - saiya-jin 5y ago
    Oh look now we killed just 65 wedding guests with our super-precise bombing instead of wiping out half a village (happened so many times in Iraq and Afghanistan due to poor intelligence and trigger-happy rednecks in chain of command). Real progress for humanity indeed...
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  - grouphugs 5y ago
    nope
  - Retric 5y ago
    Only if they don’t also encourage drone warfare. The US used to be quite isolationist, but the capacity to kill people at zero risk somehow mysteriously morphed into the need to regularly assassinate people. Military targets inside countries we are at war with is one thing, but drones strikes are not nearly so limited.
giuliomagnifico 5y ago
The trouble is that Turkey is a NATO member and there’re some rules on the weapons, turkey has already bought from Russia the S400 missile system and then they have been obliged from US (and NATO) to put them “offline”, so what’s the point in announcing a new drone to fight the F35 from NATO? Just the usual defiance from Erdogan?
- baybal2 5y ago
  > turkey has already bought from Russia the S400 missile system and then they have been obliged from US (and NATO) to put them “offline”, so what’s the point in announcing a new drone to fight the F35 from NATO? Just the usual defiance from Erdogan? The last sentence is true. On the S400 matter cited many times through this thread: Turkey only bought S400 after trying for more than a decade to get any missile defence option from anybody, including Americans themselves (they did not agree to sell them MIM 104F *,) French, Germans (both French, and German deals were sank under US pressure,) Taiwanese, Chinese, Indians, and Israelis. * USA warmed up to selling Patriot to Turkey few years ago, but that ship has long sailed, with S400 deal being inked years prior. Turkey, be them a wayward ally, but their feelings of being constantly wronged by the USA, NATO, and EU, and not being truly treated as a peer are fully genuine. So, yes. They do this to slight USA, just like they bought S400 to punish USA after them really being trolled, for the lack of a better word, by 3 US presidents, along with NATO EU allies.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Good points. But the story probably isn't complete without mentioning how Erdogan has transformed Turkey from a secular democracy to an islamic something?
    - baybal2 5y ago
      > Good points. But the story probably isn't complete without mentioning how Erdogan has transformed Turkey from a secular democracy to an islamic something? And it did so after a decade of trying to get Turkey into EU, while he still had an image of a popular, liberal, progressive, more European minded leader, and possibly even been such to some extend, before he crossed the red lines. Back then, French blocked every attempt of their accession on a complete pie in the sky grounds, because they didn't like Turkey for them competing with them for influence in Africa, and Arab world. This was at the time when even Greeks agreed to greenlight Turkey's accession Now the ship has long sailed, relationship are more sour than ever, EU really needs Turkey on its side more than ever, and they regret every second allowing Sarkozy pulling his shenanigans. This truly could have been avoided if EU was able to police its wayward leaders better.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Turkish drones have won three wars: There might be debate over whether Turkish drones “won” two of them, and the third (Turkey’s ongoing war with domestic Kurdish insurgents) hasn’t been won at all, much less by Turkish drones.
- keewee7 5y ago
  The PKK doesn't control any territory within Turkey anymore. If Turkish propaganda is to be believed there are less than 500 PKK members left in Turkey.

dmitriid 5y ago

They also have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Anka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Anka

steve19 5y ago

> Turkish MIT graduate who played a central role in the development I am sure being Erdoğan's son in law helped more to obtain his position than being an MIT graduate.

Tuna-Fish 5y ago
The causality is backwards here. He achieved his position first, became the CTO of probably the most important Turkish tech company and then met Erdoğan's daughter.
- baybal2 5y ago
  Yes, this truly doesn't tell anything about Turkey having very robust tech industry, and legions of very qualified engineers, many times the number of other countries their size. Be him Erdo's in law, or not will not make any difference to Turkey having many other equally well performing heavy industry, and military hardware companies. This is very distracting from the serious conversation when everybody keeps calling out one man's family status, having no bearing whatsoever on the wider industry as a whole, as a sole thing worth talking about Turkish industry.
- hsn915 5y ago
  It's probably inconceivable from a Western perspective. Samo Burja has an interesting clip where he talks about the succession problem, and briefly mentions the Japanese practice of adopting someone by getting them to marry your daughter. He also talks about how this would not work in modern day America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPjhrV4G9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPjhrV4G9c (last two minutes talks about Japan)
beebeepka 5y ago
That was what I was going to say. Also, they don't actually build the thing themselves but rather buy all the parts. Not that any of it matters on the battlefield. Certainly not to their current enemies. They get blown just the same
- aaaxyz 5y ago
  I was under the impression that western suppliers stopped exporting to Turkey after the Artsakh "conflict" so that they now manufacture most parts themselves (reverse-engineered or not)

sschueller 5y ago

And thanks to the American moral leadership with drones innocent people will not be bombed. /s oh wait the US just put the Whistleblower that showed most US drone attacks kill innocent people in prison for 4 years. Our moral standing in the world is in the gutter which is extremely sad. Don't expect Turkey to be even close to the US moral standard. We are heading to a very sad future.

BobbyJo 5y ago
Considering the lengths the US has gone to develop highly localized and targeted systems, like literally using knife missiles instead of bombs, your despair confuses me. Using drone strikes actually leads to much fewer unintentional deaths than classical warfare. Boots on the ground not only lead to more direct casualties, but the knock of effects of the infrastructure disruption inevitably leads to orders of magnitude more beyond that. Targeted drone strikes, in terms of the ratio of unintended death to intended death are honestly better for everyone involved (except the target :P).
- saiya-jin 5y ago
  Oh look now we killed just 65 wedding guests with our super-precise bombing instead of wiping out half a village (happened so many times in Iraq and Afghanistan due to poor intelligence and trigger-happy rednecks in chain of command). Real progress for humanity indeed...
- deleted 5y ago
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- grouphugs 5y ago
  nope
- Retric 5y ago
  Only if they don’t also encourage drone warfare. The US used to be quite isolationist, but the capacity to kill people at zero risk somehow mysteriously morphed into the need to regularly assassinate people. Military targets inside countries we are at war with is one thing, but drones strikes are not nearly so limited.

giuliomagnifico 5y ago

The trouble is that Turkey is a NATO member and there’re some rules on the weapons, turkey has already bought from Russia the S400 missile system and then they have been obliged from US (and NATO) to put them “offline”, so what’s the point in announcing a new drone to fight the F35 from NATO? Just the usual defiance from Erdogan?

baybal2 5y ago
> turkey has already bought from Russia the S400 missile system and then they have been obliged from US (and NATO) to put them “offline”, so what’s the point in announcing a new drone to fight the F35 from NATO? Just the usual defiance from Erdogan? The last sentence is true. On the S400 matter cited many times through this thread: Turkey only bought S400 after trying for more than a decade to get any missile defence option from anybody, including Americans themselves (they did not agree to sell them MIM 104F *,) French, Germans (both French, and German deals were sank under US pressure,) Taiwanese, Chinese, Indians, and Israelis. * USA warmed up to selling Patriot to Turkey few years ago, but that ship has long sailed, with S400 deal being inked years prior. Turkey, be them a wayward ally, but their feelings of being constantly wronged by the USA, NATO, and EU, and not being truly treated as a peer are fully genuine. So, yes. They do this to slight USA, just like they bought S400 to punish USA after them really being trolled, for the lack of a better word, by 3 US presidents, along with NATO EU allies.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Good points. But the story probably isn't complete without mentioning how Erdogan has transformed Turkey from a secular democracy to an islamic something?
  - baybal2 5y ago
    > Good points. But the story probably isn't complete without mentioning how Erdogan has transformed Turkey from a secular democracy to an islamic something? And it did so after a decade of trying to get Turkey into EU, while he still had an image of a popular, liberal, progressive, more European minded leader, and possibly even been such to some extend, before he crossed the red lines. Back then, French blocked every attempt of their accession on a complete pie in the sky grounds, because they didn't like Turkey for them competing with them for influence in Africa, and Arab world. This was at the time when even Greeks agreed to greenlight Turkey's accession Now the ship has long sailed, relationship are more sour than ever, EU really needs Turkey on its side more than ever, and they regret every second allowing Sarkozy pulling his shenanigans. This truly could have been avoided if EU was able to police its wayward leaders better.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Turkish drones have won three wars: There might be debate over whether Turkish drones “won” two of them, and the third (Turkey’s ongoing war with domestic Kurdish insurgents) hasn’t been won at all, much less by Turkish drones.

keewee7 5y ago
The PKK doesn't control any territory within Turkey anymore. If Turkish propaganda is to be believed there are less than 500 PKK members left in Turkey.