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I find it particularly true when I work with americans. this is because technical careers pay six digits in the USA. a sizeable part of the people that ended up

I find it particularly true when I work with americans. this is because technical careers pay six digits in the USA. a sizeable part of the people that ended up in the technical field without really the right background or career just think they can do it because they got a degree from something "technical" that is not CS or even are so sure of themselves that they think they can do it even if they don't know how to. basically using salesmen training and candoit into the technical world. In europe that would never happen because people consider technical positions and knowledge below management skills and the crooks would end up into the mgmt positions because it pays better to be a PM than a tech guy. it is changing but slowly.

ivan_gammel 5y ago
In Europe there's plenty of people with CS-related degree and decades of experience, which stuck in 1980-2000s with their solution and organization design skills and thus slowly becoming generally incompetent. It is not only American feature.
sidlls 5y ago
On the other hand, the physicists, mechanical and electrical engineers I've worked with have been almost universally better engineers than the CS grads, with little or no formal CS training.
- Duplicate-Fiber 5y ago
  My experience has been different. The backgrounds of the best engineers that I’ve worked with has been extremely varied: CS, History, Physics, Economics, Psychology, EE, etc.. However, one of the most frustrating colleagues has been a former Chemical Engineer. In 15 years, he has only implemented new technologies when absolutely forced to by people higher in org chart, even when the need is beyond obvious. He fought against 64-bit computing, hypervisor virtualization, automated config management, privileged account management, SaaS apps, and IaaS cloud platforms. So, I don’t think that you can determine whether someone is a good engineer solely based on their background. I just try to stay away from the people who want to change everything and the people who want to change nothing.

ivan_gammel 5y ago

In Europe there's plenty of people with CS-related degree and decades of experience, which stuck in 1980-2000s with their solution and organization design skills and thus slowly becoming generally incompetent. It is not only American feature.

sidlls 5y ago

On the other hand, the physicists, mechanical and electrical engineers I've worked with have been almost universally better engineers than the CS grads, with little or no formal CS training.

Duplicate-Fiber 5y ago
My experience has been different. The backgrounds of the best engineers that I’ve worked with has been extremely varied: CS, History, Physics, Economics, Psychology, EE, etc.. However, one of the most frustrating colleagues has been a former Chemical Engineer. In 15 years, he has only implemented new technologies when absolutely forced to by people higher in org chart, even when the need is beyond obvious. He fought against 64-bit computing, hypervisor virtualization, automated config management, privileged account management, SaaS apps, and IaaS cloud platforms. So, I don’t think that you can determine whether someone is a good engineer solely based on their background. I just try to stay away from the people who want to change everything and the people who want to change nothing.