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> However, there are other US Senators who view Turkey as an important NATO ally. One such lawmaker is Victoria Nuland, the undersecretary of state for politica

> However, there are other US Senators who view Turkey as an important NATO ally. One such lawmaker is Victoria Nuland, the undersecretary of state for political affairs..." That doesn't sound right.

nl 5y ago
Do you mean that she isn't a senator? That is true, but she is undersecretary of state for political affairs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
- quartesixte 5y ago
  Yeah the way that sentence was constructed tried to make her a senator.
cheif-lama 5y ago
Why don't you guys come out and say it like it is, don't chew your words: 'We don't like Turkey because it is a Muslim country and we can't tolerate any kind of agency be given to Muslim, it does not matter how democratic it is.' Here I said it for you.
baybal2 5y ago
This sounds very much right. Turkey's biggest problem with US, is that it doesn't know what trouble the Americans have with them. Every few years US politicians put something new on the table, and say it's a (new) problem. Turkey is the biggest military ally USA have. Loosing it will be a "before, and after" moment for NATO. Truly, USA's biggest problem with Turkey is exactly them being such a strong, and prominent military ally, throwing discord in US dominated bloc solely by the fact of its existence. Points: 1. Turkey's ultimate political alignment is NATO 2. Turkey's current political position can be rationally understood, in comparison to more irate allies, playing their double, triple, quadruple games. It has tensions with NATO, and US, but not because its ultimate alignment, and commitment to Atlantic Bloc changed. 3. Turkey is a way more useful military ally US have than any EU NATO member. Both in military strength, and level of commitment. 4. Turkey is the sole country US can consider a real military ally among dozens of "ally" countries which USA buys with billions of dollars per year in defence aid: Saudis, Egyptians, Emiratis, Pakistanis, Jordanians, Israelis... they are all basically a $100B a year black hole for defence aid. 5. Turkey is the only non-white country with commitment to hosting American nuclear weapons, and other serious defence assets after South Korea, and Japan quit. This is currently American's sole proof of not seeking a "rich white world alliance" as its foreign policy vision — hugely symbolic.
- pjc50 5y ago
  All of those points are valid, but the democratic status of Turkey is questionable (not a barrier to being a US ally) and it has a long-standing unresolved territorial dispute with another NATO member, Greece. The US throws a lot of money at the middle east because it doesn't understand it at all and has no coherent plan. Fortunately some of the money is thrown back at individual politicians.
- newsclues 5y ago
  I think It’s mainly about the Turkish group-political position thanks to geography and all those points are supplemental to geography
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Yes, exactly. 1. With Erdogan, or without Erdogan, it's very unlikely Turkey will ever find any solace with anybody South, or East of their border. The article 5 will remain central to its defence if anything nasty comes up from the South, and the only option if Russia will attack them from the East. 2. Turkey will gain nothing from changing alignment to some distant foreign power. It is already a strong military power, and it barely ventured past their immediate vicinity in Syria. It cannot really confront Greece, with foreign power backing, or not, because of NATO. 3. The West will continue tolerate Turkey because they really have no alternative to Turkey, and vice-versa.
    - f0xytr0xy 5y ago
      1. Turks are very much in bed with the Uae. Qatar gave çayipp an airbus a380. The neo ottoman AKP loves the oil rich arab states. 2. Russia and Arab nations treat Türkiye with far more respect than Europe and Amerika 3. As çaydoğan gets more desperate before the 2023 elections, all bets are off.
- smcl 5y ago
  > Turkey is the biggest military ally USA have Would that not be the UK?
jacksonkmarley 5y ago
>That doesn't sound right. This was just a comment on the obvious factual inaccuracy of the statement: Victoria Nuland is not a US Senator or "lawmaker".

> However, there are other US Senators who view Turkey as an important NATO ally. One such lawmaker is Victoria Nuland, the undersecretary of state for political affairs..." That doesn't sound right.

nl 5y ago

Do you mean that she isn't a senator? That is true, but she is undersecretary of state for political affairs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

quartesixte 5y ago
Yeah the way that sentence was constructed tried to make her a senator.

cheif-lama 5y ago

Why don't you guys come out and say it like it is, don't chew your words: 'We don't like Turkey because it is a Muslim country and we can't tolerate any kind of agency be given to Muslim, it does not matter how democratic it is.' Here I said it for you.

baybal2 5y ago

This sounds very much right. Turkey's biggest problem with US, is that it doesn't know what trouble the Americans have with them. Every few years US politicians put something new on the table, and say it's a (new) problem. Turkey is the biggest military ally USA have. Loosing it will be a "before, and after" moment for NATO. Truly, USA's biggest problem with Turkey is exactly them being such a strong, and prominent military ally, throwing discord in US dominated bloc solely by the fact of its existence. Points: 1. Turkey's ultimate political alignment is NATO 2. Turkey's current political position can be rationally understood, in comparison to more irate allies, playing their double, triple, quadruple games. It has tensions with NATO, and US, but not because its ultimate alignment, and commitment to Atlantic Bloc changed. 3. Turkey is a way more useful military ally US have than any EU NATO member. Both in military strength, and level of commitment. 4. Turkey is the sole country US can consider a real military ally among dozens of "ally" countries which USA buys with billions of dollars per year in defence aid: Saudis, Egyptians, Emiratis, Pakistanis, Jordanians, Israelis... they are all basically a $100B a year black hole for defence aid. 5. Turkey is the only non-white country with commitment to hosting American nuclear weapons, and other serious defence assets after South Korea, and Japan quit. This is currently American's sole proof of not seeking a "rich white world alliance" as its foreign policy vision — hugely symbolic.

pjc50 5y ago
All of those points are valid, but the democratic status of Turkey is questionable (not a barrier to being a US ally) and it has a long-standing unresolved territorial dispute with another NATO member, Greece. The US throws a lot of money at the middle east because it doesn't understand it at all and has no coherent plan. Fortunately some of the money is thrown back at individual politicians.
newsclues 5y ago
I think It’s mainly about the Turkish group-political position thanks to geography and all those points are supplemental to geography
- baybal2 5y ago
  Yes, exactly. 1. With Erdogan, or without Erdogan, it's very unlikely Turkey will ever find any solace with anybody South, or East of their border. The article 5 will remain central to its defence if anything nasty comes up from the South, and the only option if Russia will attack them from the East. 2. Turkey will gain nothing from changing alignment to some distant foreign power. It is already a strong military power, and it barely ventured past their immediate vicinity in Syria. It cannot really confront Greece, with foreign power backing, or not, because of NATO. 3. The West will continue tolerate Turkey because they really have no alternative to Turkey, and vice-versa.
  - f0xytr0xy 5y ago
    1. Turks are very much in bed with the Uae. Qatar gave çayipp an airbus a380. The neo ottoman AKP loves the oil rich arab states. 2. Russia and Arab nations treat Türkiye with far more respect than Europe and Amerika 3. As çaydoğan gets more desperate before the 2023 elections, all bets are off.
smcl 5y ago
> Turkey is the biggest military ally USA have Would that not be the UK?

jacksonkmarley 5y ago

>That doesn't sound right. This was just a comment on the obvious factual inaccuracy of the statement: Victoria Nuland is not a US Senator or "lawmaker".