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>Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Where in the heck did you get that from? The author made no such claim

by mthoms 5y ago

>Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Where in the heck did you get that from? The author made no such claim. Anywhere. I also didn't feel like the author was "yelling at men". I felt she was trying to get us to understand her frustration. Confident, respectful men don't get offended by posts like this. She's not talking about me (generally speaking that is - I know I'll never be perfect). But, I also know that I can help. I can be an ally. I don't mind being reminded of that. Sheesh, the early comments here tell me that the author could actually be understating the problem.

ekager 5y ago
appreciate you here mthoms
proc0 5y ago
The tone of the article is dealing in general terms. For example the closing part: > Next time you go to ask yourself why women in tech are so angry, ask yourself why you’re not angry with them. Is that for everyone? It sounds to be directed at the party that would not be angry, which is hyperbole for caring, and why would any women not care about this issue? Therefore this sounds like it's directed at men, at least implicitly. It's an angry article after all, why wouldn't it be pointing fingers. I'm just saying there's no one to blame but the individual culprits of those behaviors / actions.
- mthoms 5y ago
  Change "women" to "black people" in the sentence you quoted and it's not at all controversial. That is to say — white people who aren't guilty of racism in their industry should still be angry about the racism that does exist in it. It's the same general principle.
  - proc0 5y ago
    i disagree, that is group-think and unfortunately the status quo right now is to encourage group-think. This is why someone who has nothing to do with something can be responsible for actions of someone else... because they are part of the same "group".
    - mthoms 5y ago
      No-one... not me, nor the post author, said all men are responsible for sexism. No-one is arguing that. You've simply imagined it. The post author just said all men should be pissed off about its continuing prevalence. You don't have to be pissed off. Just like you don't have to be pissed off about the continuing prevalence of racism.

by mthoms 5y ago

ekager 5y ago

appreciate you here mthoms

proc0 5y ago

The tone of the article is dealing in general terms. For example the closing part: > Next time you go to ask yourself why women in tech are so angry, ask yourself why you’re not angry with them. Is that for everyone? It sounds to be directed at the party that would not be angry, which is hyperbole for caring, and why would any women not care about this issue? Therefore this sounds like it's directed at men, at least implicitly. It's an angry article after all, why wouldn't it be pointing fingers. I'm just saying there's no one to blame but the individual culprits of those behaviors / actions.

mthoms 5y ago
Change "women" to "black people" in the sentence you quoted and it's not at all controversial. That is to say — white people who aren't guilty of racism in their industry should still be angry about the racism that does exist in it. It's the same general principle.
- proc0 5y ago
  i disagree, that is group-think and unfortunately the status quo right now is to encourage group-think. This is why someone who has nothing to do with something can be responsible for actions of someone else... because they are part of the same "group".
  - mthoms 5y ago
    No-one... not me, nor the post author, said all men are responsible for sexism. No-one is arguing that. You've simply imagined it. The post author just said all men should be pissed off about its continuing prevalence. You don't have to be pissed off. Just like you don't have to be pissed off about the continuing prevalence of racism.