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Propaganda much?

by peakaboo 5y ago

Propaganda much?

johng 5y ago
In what way?
- coldtea 5y ago
  Not sure about propaganda, but sounds like a lame-ass piece, taking for granted what BS official sources said. As if they'd reveal an informant or other (more plausible) means of getting that information. They had arrived at a suspect house, identified the driver, but had to rely on the clothesline for such information? I call BS. But it makes for a good story.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    It’s hard to disagree with this, it was bs all the way down. There was also the way a vaccination programme was used as a cover for helping find him, causing problems down the line. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2277145-cias-hunt-for-osama-bin-laden-fuelled-vaccine-hesitancy-in-pakistan/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2277145-cias-hunt-for-o...
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      I'm not a fan of the CIA's methods in general but I don't think blaming them for this lapse in vaccinations is fair. The real cause is the people spreading all these lies about vaccines. In fact I like that they went out of their way to validate their target instead of just going in all cowboy and shooting the place up on limited intel.
      - salawat 5y ago
        Yes. Nevermind that you actually had conspiracy theory level skulduggery going on under the guise of a public health measure further undermining the already tenuous trust that exists under for the neutrality of the public health edifice. Amazing the level of mental gymnastics that people are prone to when the objectives of national security come into relief.
        GekkePrutser 5y ago
        I'm not even American :) Their national security isn't something that would worry me. And I know they often do things in the name of national security that are more about commercial interests. However we are talking about a man who murdered thousands of innocents in cold blood. And shocked the whole world. If people already have distrust for the local medical service, that's a local problem they should address. If they feel like helping to track down a mass murderer makes that health service even less trustworthy, they really are supporting the wrong side. I think the only thing they did wrong was killing Bin Laden. I feel he should have stood trial for that. They shouldn't have killed him no matter how much he deserved it. Even the worst Nazis stood trial. I know it would have given him a stage but it was still wrong. But I think sending a fake medical team in to confirm was a small measure considering what he had done. I'm sure even the police would do things like that in much less important cases.
      - dTal 5y ago
        >In fact I like that they went out of their way to validate their target instead of just going in all cowboy and shooting the place up on limited intel. That's your bar?
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Well they had to be certain, right? What if the driver was working for someone else, and Bin Laden was nearby but didn't live there? You send in the marines, you don't get Osama, and instead you've basically let him know that he needs to GTFO that city...
  - relativ575 5y ago
    The clothesline was only a clue, they didn't rely on it: "But the final clue was the clotheslines on the compound, which flapped each day with women’s garments, shalwar kameez worn by Pakistani men, children’s outfits and diapers — far more than the 11 members of the bodyguards’ families could ever wear." Perhaps you only read the title? because I agree it's a clickbait.
    - coldtea 5y ago
      >Perhaps you only read the title? Besides the clothelines, I mention two other things that are in the article only. Perhaps you've only skimmed my comment? :-)
cdstyh 5y ago
Much of what the media puts out is propaganda. I'd say a majority of what they release is propaganda.
zrth 5y ago
Tbh, i think it's just advertising for a book disguised as news.
- verdverm 5y ago
  No mention of laundry here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_for_Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_for_Osama_bin_Laden

Propaganda much?

johng 5y ago

In what way?

coldtea 5y ago
Not sure about propaganda, but sounds like a lame-ass piece, taking for granted what BS official sources said. As if they'd reveal an informant or other (more plausible) means of getting that information. They had arrived at a suspect house, identified the driver, but had to rely on the clothesline for such information? I call BS. But it makes for a good story.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  It’s hard to disagree with this, it was bs all the way down. There was also the way a vaccination programme was used as a cover for helping find him, causing problems down the line. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2277145-cias-hunt-for-osama-bin-laden-fuelled-vaccine-hesitancy-in-pakistan/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2277145-cias-hunt-for-o...
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    I'm not a fan of the CIA's methods in general but I don't think blaming them for this lapse in vaccinations is fair. The real cause is the people spreading all these lies about vaccines. In fact I like that they went out of their way to validate their target instead of just going in all cowboy and shooting the place up on limited intel.
    - salawat 5y ago
      Yes. Nevermind that you actually had conspiracy theory level skulduggery going on under the guise of a public health measure further undermining the already tenuous trust that exists under for the neutrality of the public health edifice. Amazing the level of mental gymnastics that people are prone to when the objectives of national security come into relief.
      - GekkePrutser 5y ago
        I'm not even American :) Their national security isn't something that would worry me. And I know they often do things in the name of national security that are more about commercial interests. However we are talking about a man who murdered thousands of innocents in cold blood. And shocked the whole world. If people already have distrust for the local medical service, that's a local problem they should address. If they feel like helping to track down a mass murderer makes that health service even less trustworthy, they really are supporting the wrong side. I think the only thing they did wrong was killing Bin Laden. I feel he should have stood trial for that. They shouldn't have killed him no matter how much he deserved it. Even the worst Nazis stood trial. I know it would have given him a stage but it was still wrong. But I think sending a fake medical team in to confirm was a small measure considering what he had done. I'm sure even the police would do things like that in much less important cases.
    - dTal 5y ago
      >In fact I like that they went out of their way to validate their target instead of just going in all cowboy and shooting the place up on limited intel. That's your bar?
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Well they had to be certain, right? What if the driver was working for someone else, and Bin Laden was nearby but didn't live there? You send in the marines, you don't get Osama, and instead you've basically let him know that he needs to GTFO that city...
- relativ575 5y ago
  The clothesline was only a clue, they didn't rely on it: "But the final clue was the clotheslines on the compound, which flapped each day with women’s garments, shalwar kameez worn by Pakistani men, children’s outfits and diapers — far more than the 11 members of the bodyguards’ families could ever wear." Perhaps you only read the title? because I agree it's a clickbait.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    >Perhaps you only read the title? Besides the clothelines, I mention two other things that are in the article only. Perhaps you've only skimmed my comment? :-)

cdstyh 5y ago

Much of what the media puts out is propaganda. I'd say a majority of what they release is propaganda.

zrth 5y ago

Tbh, i think it's just advertising for a book disguised as news.

verdverm 5y ago
No mention of laundry here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_for_Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_for_Osama_bin_Laden