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Unfortunately it’s pretty clear from the article that Cory does not have much familiarity with the research going on in the field of machine learning, and is cr
by atty 5y ago
Unfortunately it’s pretty clear from the article that Cory does not have much familiarity with the research going on in the field of machine learning, and is creating a straw man. Quite a lot of work is being done on causal inference, out-of-distribution generalization, fairness, etc. Just because that is not the focus of the big sexy AI posts from Google et al does not mean that the work isn’t being done. I’d also point out that humans can infer causality for simple systems, but for any sufficiently complex system we also can’t reason causally. But that does not mean we can’t infer useful properties and make informed, reasonable decisions.
I’d also point out that not all models are “theory-free”, as he describes it. I specifically do work in areas where we combine “theory” and machine learning, and it works very well.
And finally, his point about comprehension does not really fly for me. There is no magical comprehension circuit in our brain. It’s all done via biological processes we can study and emulate. Will that end up being a scaled up version of current neural nets? Will it need to arise from embodied cognition in robots? Will it be something else? I don’t know, but it’s certainly not magic, and we’ll get there eventually. Whether that’s 10 years or 1000, who knows.
Are current paradigms going to lead to AGI? Frankly, I’d just be guessing if I even tried to answer that. My gut instinct is no, but again, that’s just a guess. Can current methods evolve into better constrained systems with more generalizable results and measurable fairness? Absolutely.
- belter 5y agoDo you have an example/reference of the type of work you are thinking about ?
- jmull 5y ago> Are current paradigms going to lead to AGI? Frankly, I’d just be guessing if I even tried to answer that. My gut instinct is no I'll just note that while you start off saying Doctorow has no idea what he's talking about, you finish by pretty much fully agreeing with the essay.
- version_five 5y agoI'm not sure what issue others had with your comment. You're quite correct that he ignores vast swaths of current ML art and attacks a narrow conception of what ML is. Many of his criticism are legit with the right caveats, but he leaves out a lot of information that could lead to a different thesis. My read of the discussion here is that there is lots of idle speculation by people who don't have any real experience with ML research / engineering, that overwhelms a minority who actually know what they are talking about and are calling CD out on this, or at least challenging aspects of his arguments.