3 ms·

I take objection to the polite tone because it is the kind that only a dispassionate academic could take when discussing the horrors that appeasement of the for

I take objection to the polite tone because it is the kind that only a dispassionate academic could take when discussing the horrors that appeasement of the form of government you're advocating for will cause the citizens of those countries. You should seriously consider the real consequences of appeasement for people not as fortunate as you to live in the U.S. as you go about saying that we can't "prove" that a dictatorship which has suspended the rights to freedom of speech and elections doesn't have popular support. You seem to frame this as me arguing in favor of the US, which makes it very easy for you to then rightly question the true objectives of the US and even the validity of its supposed moral authority. I am simply discussing the validity of a government which has no individual liberty nor democratically elected leaders. This is unequivocally a tool for oppression and evil in the modern world. If you made friends who lived under communist regimes, and turned your abstract reasoning into concrete feelings, your feelings on this subject might change.

emodendroket 5y ago
Well because I have, in fact, made a number of friends with Chinese people, I don't think we think should unleash a nuclear holocaust because we're unhappy with their government. Is this blunt enough for your liking? You know, another thing I'll say about this is, your problem obviously isn't actually my tone. If I were combative and forceful in everything I said, you'd find a way to take issue with that too (probably more convincingly). Because your actual problem is you dislike the content of what I'm saying. Fine. Argue against it, or ignore it, but let's not waste our time pretending there is any manner I could possibly present the same view that you wouldn't find fault with.
- MathYouF 5y ago
  Victims of communist regimes all have terms for Westerners like you who make apologetic arguments in favor of their dictators from the safety of a Liberal democracy. The role you're playing and your perspective is nothing new in the last century of fascist dictators depriving people of rights under the banner of communism. And again, you're framing it as an American vs China thing (nukes?). You're a useful tool of the CCP, even adopting their talking points and framing it in the ways they do when they indoctrinate their own citizenry. Your final argument sounds like a doctor complaining that the patients family won't like hearing the news that insurance won't cover cancer treatments no matter what tone they use. The content you are delivering is in support of cruelty and evil in the world, I'm protesting that you try packaging it in courtesy to disguise that fact.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    I think presenting my views politely is better than just personally attacking the character of people talking to me and accusing them of being dupes. Clearly you see it differently, and I welcome you to engage in mud-slinging with others whose idea of a productive discussion better matches yours.

emodendroket 5y ago

Well because I have, in fact, made a number of friends with Chinese people, I don't think we think should unleash a nuclear holocaust because we're unhappy with their government. Is this blunt enough for your liking? You know, another thing I'll say about this is, your problem obviously isn't actually my tone. If I were combative and forceful in everything I said, you'd find a way to take issue with that too (probably more convincingly). Because your actual problem is you dislike the content of what I'm saying. Fine. Argue against it, or ignore it, but let's not waste our time pretending there is any manner I could possibly present the same view that you wouldn't find fault with.

MathYouF 5y ago
Victims of communist regimes all have terms for Westerners like you who make apologetic arguments in favor of their dictators from the safety of a Liberal democracy. The role you're playing and your perspective is nothing new in the last century of fascist dictators depriving people of rights under the banner of communism. And again, you're framing it as an American vs China thing (nukes?). You're a useful tool of the CCP, even adopting their talking points and framing it in the ways they do when they indoctrinate their own citizenry. Your final argument sounds like a doctor complaining that the patients family won't like hearing the news that insurance won't cover cancer treatments no matter what tone they use. The content you are delivering is in support of cruelty and evil in the world, I'm protesting that you try packaging it in courtesy to disguise that fact.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  I think presenting my views politely is better than just personally attacking the character of people talking to me and accusing them of being dupes. Clearly you see it differently, and I welcome you to engage in mud-slinging with others whose idea of a productive discussion better matches yours.