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If vaccines don't stop transmission, then the only reason to get a vaccine is to protect yourself from severe symptoms. That contradicts what I've often been h

If vaccines don't stop transmission, then the only reason to get a vaccine is to protect yourself from severe symptoms. That contradicts what I've often been hearing that you should get the vaccine for the benefit of others. When the only effect the vaccine will have is on yourself, it becomes a personal question rather than a societal one.

belltaco 5y ago
> That contradicts what I've often been hearing that you should get the vaccine for the benefit of others I don't know why everyone keeps harping on this to blame the experts and cast doubt on them. The virus changed. What was said in the past was true about the earlier variants. The Delta variant works differently.
- ghoward 5y ago
  This is not casting doubt on what experts said. It's casting doubt on what others have said about what experts have said. It is media and politicians that say people should get the vaccine for others. Of course, if experts said that too, well, they were wrong if the vaccinated can spread the virus about as much as the unvaccinated.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  I'm not saying anything about experts. I'm saying that the concept that you should get the vaccines for others looks like it's moot. That means the only consideration you should have about getting the vaccine is if you want the extra protection for yourself.
  - bamboozled 5y ago
    If you get the vaccine and stay out of ICU, you’re doing it for others.
    - briefcomment 5y ago
      You mean by freeing up hospital beds? That's orders of magnitude less of a benefit than stopping exponential contagious spread, so not nearly as compelling of a reason.
      - bamboozled 5y ago
        You're not freeing them up if you're never in one ?
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Lobotomies won the Nobel prize in the 40's supported by experts. Thalidomide was highly used by the medical experts. The view that slaves and Jews were inferior was backed up by 'experts'. The Vietnam war was sold by 'experts'. This new found belief that the experts are infallible gods to be worshipped ...is super creepy, ignorant, and authoritarian. The experts deserve to have doubt cast on them and need to justify their views and be held accountable.

belltaco 5y ago

> That contradicts what I've often been hearing that you should get the vaccine for the benefit of others I don't know why everyone keeps harping on this to blame the experts and cast doubt on them. The virus changed. What was said in the past was true about the earlier variants. The Delta variant works differently.

ghoward 5y ago
This is not casting doubt on what experts said. It's casting doubt on what others have said about what experts have said. It is media and politicians that say people should get the vaccine for others. Of course, if experts said that too, well, they were wrong if the vaccinated can spread the virus about as much as the unvaccinated.
briefcomment 5y ago
I'm not saying anything about experts. I'm saying that the concept that you should get the vaccines for others looks like it's moot. That means the only consideration you should have about getting the vaccine is if you want the extra protection for yourself.
- bamboozled 5y ago
  If you get the vaccine and stay out of ICU, you’re doing it for others.
  - briefcomment 5y ago
    You mean by freeing up hospital beds? That's orders of magnitude less of a benefit than stopping exponential contagious spread, so not nearly as compelling of a reason.
    - bamboozled 5y ago
      You're not freeing them up if you're never in one ?
nickthemagicman 5y ago
Lobotomies won the Nobel prize in the 40's supported by experts. Thalidomide was highly used by the medical experts. The view that slaves and Jews were inferior was backed up by 'experts'. The Vietnam war was sold by 'experts'. This new found belief that the experts are infallible gods to be worshipped ...is super creepy, ignorant, and authoritarian. The experts deserve to have doubt cast on them and need to justify their views and be held accountable.