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This is a story because it is showing something is wrong. This data implies that the vaccine isn’t effective enough to drop precautions. Vaccinated people need

This is a story because it is showing something is wrong. This data implies that the vaccine isn’t effective enough to drop precautions. Vaccinated people need to know that and guidelines need to be adjusted, lest they become bigger spreaders than the unvaccinated, as this data is implying. At the very least, this data needs to be very carefully followed up on.

slibhb 5y ago
I don't agree that the data imply that. If 100% of people are vaccinated, 100% of covid infections will be among vaccinated people. In MA, ~70% of people are vaccinated. Vaccination rates are higher in some places. Given this, it's not surprising that most infections in certain places are among vaccinated people. The absolute number and how sick people are getting have to be considered as well.
gmuslera 5y ago
There are some blind areas. You are not counting people that weren't tested, or, people in different categories that were exposed but didn't got the disease, or people that got the disease previously, but it was asymptomatic or with mild enough symptoms to be noticed. If 100 unvaccinated people (that really didn't got the vaccine) get exposed in the same way than 100 vaccinated people, the numbers that will get infected would be the same?
mdorazio 5y ago
The data does not at all imply that something is wrong or that we need to do more than is already being done. Vaccines are not 100% effective and we were never going to prevent infections entirely. The only real issue here is that way too many people are refusing to get vaccinated so that infections are still having a large impact on the population as a whole. Among people who are vaccinated, severe complications from COVID are extremely rare. People need to stop thinking about COVID as a disease like polio that we can relatively easily eradicate, and more like a bad flu that we simply coexist with even though annual vaccines are widely available.

slibhb 5y ago

I don't agree that the data imply that. If 100% of people are vaccinated, 100% of covid infections will be among vaccinated people. In MA, ~70% of people are vaccinated. Vaccination rates are higher in some places. Given this, it's not surprising that most infections in certain places are among vaccinated people. The absolute number and how sick people are getting have to be considered as well.

gmuslera 5y ago

There are some blind areas. You are not counting people that weren't tested, or, people in different categories that were exposed but didn't got the disease, or people that got the disease previously, but it was asymptomatic or with mild enough symptoms to be noticed. If 100 unvaccinated people (that really didn't got the vaccine) get exposed in the same way than 100 vaccinated people, the numbers that will get infected would be the same?

mdorazio 5y ago

The data does not at all imply that something is wrong or that we need to do more than is already being done. Vaccines are not 100% effective and we were never going to prevent infections entirely. The only real issue here is that way too many people are refusing to get vaccinated so that infections are still having a large impact on the population as a whole. Among people who are vaccinated, severe complications from COVID are extremely rare. People need to stop thinking about COVID as a disease like polio that we can relatively easily eradicate, and more like a bad flu that we simply coexist with even though annual vaccines are widely available.