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If you were in a street fight with a professional fighter, and you used some of these techniques that 'would otherwise end a fight quickly', could you defeat th

If you were in a street fight with a professional fighter, and you used some of these techniques that 'would otherwise end a fight quickly', could you defeat them? Of course not. MMA is the fundamentals of one-on-one fighting, various dirty techniques are the 'extra' on top of that but don't constitute an entire methodology. If you're interested in self defense, just learning the fundamentals of MMA makes the most sense

crazydoggers 5y ago
> MMA is the fundamentals of one-on-one fighting MMA, is not itself a fighting technique, but the name of the sport. It is the official sport rules for using various martial arts techniques together in sporting competitions. UFC is the main organization that promotes the MMA sport. But yes, if someone trained in kick boxing, judo, Jiu-jitsu etc was attacking me and didn’t use those techniques the fight would indeed end very quickly. I train specifically to use those techniques first… (Krav Maga), to incapacitate the attacker as fast as possible, and then leave the situation. If for some reason I was unsuccessful, then my attempt would immediately cause the attacker to also attempt to use those techniques. Either way it would end very fast. No matter how strong someone is, they can’t work out their eyes, grown, throat etc. Krav Maga, btw can be used under the MMA sport rules, however it’s uncommon, since most of the techniques are banned. > If you're interested in self defense, just learning the fundamentals of MMA makes the most sense This is actually the misunderstanding. If you want to learn self defense then learn self defense, not a sport. If you’re focused on MMA your not going to learn how to deal with attackers with knives, guns, etc, or how to deal with attackers using the most incapacitating techniques. You’re also not going to learn how to end the confrontation as quickly as possible since MMA is all about entertainment and sport, meaning fights that last many rounds. Criminals and street fights are dirty by definition, and there’s no holding back.
- hash872 5y ago
  The issue is that 'Krav Maga' or 'dirty techniques' are not immediately, 100% effective. This is fallacious/magical thinking. So is 'learning how to deal with attackers with knives, guns'. Just because a Krav Maga instructor told that you these things work, doesn't mean that they actually do. If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. Guys could attack the eyes, kick the groin, etc., yet the BJJ guys won! No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something
  - crazydoggers 5y ago
    > The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. You’re still talking about a sport. Vale Tudo was a circus attraction meaning it was about making money. Opponents were pre-determined. On top of that knowing you’re not going to die makes a hell of a lot of difference. And I’m not saying martial arts have zero practical value, they do. Just that TV, sports shows, circus attractions, in no way mimic real life. > No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something Except when early matches were ended after someone broke an arm, lost teeth etc? Things which are now banned because it makes the sport less fun. > If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. This is simply untrue. Law enforcement, military, body guards etc routinely practice this stuff. You may get stabbed, but the idea is to end the confrontation, as quickly as possible. That means distractions or incapacitation and then disarming/leaving/running, etc. Knives are almost always hidden and shielded during an attack. So most of self defense against knives is being aware of the situation. You’re not practicing martial art move sets… your practicing how to keep your wits about you and react quickly. Here’s a great example. There’s no protracted fight, and is an excellent example of how to end a knife attack before it begins. You need to train not to escalate, to act like you don’t want any trouble so their guard is down, and then quickly end it. https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 And here’s a rundown of how knife attacks happen, the things good self defense teaches: https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-against-knife-attacks.html?m=1 https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-aga...

crazydoggers 5y ago

> MMA is the fundamentals of one-on-one fighting MMA, is not itself a fighting technique, but the name of the sport. It is the official sport rules for using various martial arts techniques together in sporting competitions. UFC is the main organization that promotes the MMA sport. But yes, if someone trained in kick boxing, judo, Jiu-jitsu etc was attacking me and didn’t use those techniques the fight would indeed end very quickly. I train specifically to use those techniques first… (Krav Maga), to incapacitate the attacker as fast as possible, and then leave the situation. If for some reason I was unsuccessful, then my attempt would immediately cause the attacker to also attempt to use those techniques. Either way it would end very fast. No matter how strong someone is, they can’t work out their eyes, grown, throat etc. Krav Maga, btw can be used under the MMA sport rules, however it’s uncommon, since most of the techniques are banned. > If you're interested in self defense, just learning the fundamentals of MMA makes the most sense This is actually the misunderstanding. If you want to learn self defense then learn self defense, not a sport. If you’re focused on MMA your not going to learn how to deal with attackers with knives, guns, etc, or how to deal with attackers using the most incapacitating techniques. You’re also not going to learn how to end the confrontation as quickly as possible since MMA is all about entertainment and sport, meaning fights that last many rounds. Criminals and street fights are dirty by definition, and there’s no holding back.

hash872 5y ago
The issue is that 'Krav Maga' or 'dirty techniques' are not immediately, 100% effective. This is fallacious/magical thinking. So is 'learning how to deal with attackers with knives, guns'. Just because a Krav Maga instructor told that you these things work, doesn't mean that they actually do. If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. Guys could attack the eyes, kick the groin, etc., yet the BJJ guys won! No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  > The earliest MMA events were vale tudo/'anything goes' matches in Brazil where there were no illegal strikes, and yet solid MMA technique prevailed. You’re still talking about a sport. Vale Tudo was a circus attraction meaning it was about making money. Opponents were pre-determined. On top of that knowing you’re not going to die makes a hell of a lot of difference. And I’m not saying martial arts have zero practical value, they do. Just that TV, sports shows, circus attractions, in no way mimic real life. > No one won because they were solely a Krav Maga eye gouger or something Except when early matches were ended after someone broke an arm, lost teeth etc? Things which are now banned because it makes the sport less fun. > If you are unarmed, there are literally no techniques that are effective against a knife- I feel like I shouldn't have to even mention guns. This is simply untrue. Law enforcement, military, body guards etc routinely practice this stuff. You may get stabbed, but the idea is to end the confrontation, as quickly as possible. That means distractions or incapacitation and then disarming/leaving/running, etc. Knives are almost always hidden and shielded during an attack. So most of self defense against knives is being aware of the situation. You’re not practicing martial art move sets… your practicing how to keep your wits about you and react quickly. Here’s a great example. There’s no protracted fight, and is an excellent example of how to end a knife attack before it begins. You need to train not to escalate, to act like you don’t want any trouble so their guard is down, and then quickly end it. https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 https://youtu.be/Z5FLYdJA3y4 And here’s a rundown of how knife attacks happen, the things good self defense teaches: https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-against-knife-attacks.html?m=1 https://www.urbanfitandfearless.com/2016/09/self-defence-aga...