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Mozilla(Firefox's parent) has supported pro-social justice and progressive causes that ticked off a lot of users. There were a lot of discussions about it in 4c

Mozilla(Firefox's parent) has supported pro-social justice and progressive causes that ticked off a lot of users. There were a lot of discussions about it in 4chan from 2017-2019. Many people vowed to never use Firefox ever again and instead switched to alternatives like Waterfox and PaleMoon.

InTheArena 5y ago
Mozilla is far better at delivering social positions then good software.
Kye 5y ago
Somehow I doubt many of the tens of millions of people who switched have any idea about this minor tech feud. Blaming this for Firefox's fall would be just as silly as me assuming the tens of millions of people who use Brave know what kind of person is CEO and support his views. Most people don't look that deep into the tools they use.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
4chan and it's black sheep twin 8chan aren't really very important in the grand scheme of browser wars I would warrant.
cherrycherry98 5y ago
I also doubt that it's a large segment of users but count me as one among the millions who dumped Firefox in 2020. I knew it was going downhill when they started purging words from the project. When your inclusion efforts start alienating moderate users it might be time to rethink them. * Removing "meritocracy" from the governance docs - https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/words-matter-moving-beyond- https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/words-matter-moving-beyond-... * Changing "master password" to "primary password" - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/primary-password-replac https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/primary-password-replac... * Removing "crazy" from the codebase - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675987 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675987 * Removing words deemed as reference to mental illness - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675986 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675986 The difference in the project from 15 years ago is stark. The Mozilla mission 2005: "Established in July, 2003, with start-up support from America Online's Netscape division, the Mozilla Foundation exists to provide organizational, legal, and financial support for the Mozilla open-source software project." The Mozilla mission 2021: "Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all. An Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent." Where they once were just supporting a software project they're now a political movement. They spout "equity", "justice", and "advocacy" all over mozilla.org. No thanks, I just want a decent software.

InTheArena 5y ago

Mozilla is far better at delivering social positions then good software.

Kye 5y ago

Somehow I doubt many of the tens of millions of people who switched have any idea about this minor tech feud. Blaming this for Firefox's fall would be just as silly as me assuming the tens of millions of people who use Brave know what kind of person is CEO and support his views. Most people don't look that deep into the tools they use.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

4chan and it's black sheep twin 8chan aren't really very important in the grand scheme of browser wars I would warrant.

cherrycherry98 5y ago

I also doubt that it's a large segment of users but count me as one among the millions who dumped Firefox in 2020. I knew it was going downhill when they started purging words from the project. When your inclusion efforts start alienating moderate users it might be time to rethink them. * Removing "meritocracy" from the governance docs - https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/words-matter-moving-beyond- https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/words-matter-moving-beyond-... * Changing "master password" to "primary password" - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/primary-password-replac https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/primary-password-replac... * Removing "crazy" from the codebase - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675987 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675987 * Removing words deemed as reference to mental illness - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675986 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1675986 The difference in the project from 15 years ago is stark. The Mozilla mission 2005: "Established in July, 2003, with start-up support from America Online's Netscape division, the Mozilla Foundation exists to provide organizational, legal, and financial support for the Mozilla open-source software project." The Mozilla mission 2021: "Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all. An Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent." Where they once were just supporting a software project they're now a political movement. They spout "equity", "justice", and "advocacy" all over mozilla.org. No thanks, I just want a decent software.