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Look up what's happened with Marek's disease. The vaccines are making the disease worse and we have known this would be the outcome for years. These vaccines wo

Look up what's happened with Marek's disease. The vaccines are making the disease worse and we have known this would be the outcome for years. These vaccines would not have been approved for livestock use. Obviously herd culling is not an option with people so the vaccines were needed but they certainly should have been limited to the most vulnerable populations until better ones were produced. The efficacy of the vaccines did not meet the thresholds for herd immunity. Since the vaccines do not actually mimic natural immunity the now unfortunate and inevitable outcome is going to be a worse disease.

mint2 5y ago
You left out the crucial part of the statement about livestock approval. -> “because mass slaughter of infected livestock’s prevents viral evolution, a leaky vaccine would not be approved.” And while you’re right that the evolutionary effect a leaky vaccine can have is something to really pay attention to, the current evolution of more virulent strains has not been caused by vaccinations. The varients so far have arisen due to spread in unvaccinated populations. And the “vaccines not miming natural immunity” isn’t the issue. It’s that the virus is highly virulent. Even “naturally” immune people in Brazil caught their second wave that was driven by a new strain and that wasn’t due to any vaccinations.
- hattmall 5y ago
  Not to be a critique but do you have any sort of reliable source to show that the increased virulence is actually not being caused by vaccinations? It's also quite possible for the virus to make many mutations and not be classified as an entirely new strain, I just can't see how vaccinations that allow so many breakthroughs wouldn't be contributing to faster and more virulent mutations considering we know that to be true in other cases. While reinfections have occured everything I have seen is that breakthrough infections in the vaccinated are much much more common than reinfections.

mint2 5y ago

You left out the crucial part of the statement about livestock approval. -> “because mass slaughter of infected livestock’s prevents viral evolution, a leaky vaccine would not be approved.” And while you’re right that the evolutionary effect a leaky vaccine can have is something to really pay attention to, the current evolution of more virulent strains has not been caused by vaccinations. The varients so far have arisen due to spread in unvaccinated populations. And the “vaccines not miming natural immunity” isn’t the issue. It’s that the virus is highly virulent. Even “naturally” immune people in Brazil caught their second wave that was driven by a new strain and that wasn’t due to any vaccinations.

hattmall 5y ago
Not to be a critique but do you have any sort of reliable source to show that the increased virulence is actually not being caused by vaccinations? It's also quite possible for the virus to make many mutations and not be classified as an entirely new strain, I just can't see how vaccinations that allow so many breakthroughs wouldn't be contributing to faster and more virulent mutations considering we know that to be true in other cases. While reinfections have occured everything I have seen is that breakthrough infections in the vaccinated are much much more common than reinfections.