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Yeah it's sad apple has crippled their browser the browser on a $40 android tablet is more powerful than safari running on a $1200 iPhone

quaintdev 5y ago
Why don't people ditch Safari and use Chrome instead.
- bpye 5y ago
  I’m not sure if this is sincere but Apple do not allow other browser engines. They are all Safari skins.
  - quaintdev 5y ago
    Android is used more here in India. Personally I haven't even touched an Apple device till date because it's just hard to find except in Apple store or if you have very rich friends. So I had no idea. > They are all Safari skins That's crazy.
    - Hackbraten 5y ago
      There might be good reasons to do it from Apple’s point of view. For example, if Apple allowed third-party browser engines, any vendor could offer a browser with a vulnerability. That browser could be abused to install apps through that vulnerability, including malicious ones. I’m not implying that it’s ok for Apple to act like that. My point is that it’s consistent with their security model for iOS.
      - schwartzworld 5y ago
        The real reason is that they want you to get your apps from the app store and that's it. They can't get paid when people install PWAs or sideload open source apps. Same reason for killing the headphone jack. Same reason for having a different shape magsafe for every generation of MacBook. To keep the suckers spending.
        Hackbraten 5y ago
        MagSafe has had only two variants while it existed (2006–2017). That’s more than a decade. Both MacBook Pros I’ve owned at that time each came with its power supply included, and lasted me seven years each. I consider myself frugal, not a sucker.
        schwartzworld 5y ago
        If you're buying apple products still, you're telling on yourself.
        Hackbraten 5y ago
        An alternative explanation would be: people have individual preferences, and value is a subjective concept.
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    > Safari skins More like embedded WebViews.
user-the-name 5y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016398
Hackbraten 5y ago
There’s a market for both devices, and justifiably so. Why not celebrate the fact that people have a choice?
- atatatat 5y ago
  separate from this, one of those devices is slowing the web from fully transitioning back to webapps.
  - Hackbraten 5y ago
    You mean Safari and how it restricts local storage for privacy reasons? Or have I missed something else?
kiwijamo 5y ago
It fails on other browsers as well (e.g. Firefox on Linux) and someone has discovered[1] that it may well be a Netlify bug (sending more data than it's supposed to). I agree with your point that that Apple could do better but in this case it does seem that Apple's browser is doing the right thing and ignoring invalid data provided by Netlify (which is the same behaviour as Firefox at the very least). In any case going direct[2] to GitHub should work fine--that link works for me in Firefox on Linux (whereas the Netlify one does not). [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016906 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016906 [2]: https://phiresky.github.io/blog/2021/hosting-sqlite-databases-on-github-pages/ https://phiresky.github.io/blog/2021/hosting-sqlite-database...

quaintdev 5y ago

Why don't people ditch Safari and use Chrome instead.

bpye 5y ago
I’m not sure if this is sincere but Apple do not allow other browser engines. They are all Safari skins.
- quaintdev 5y ago
  Android is used more here in India. Personally I haven't even touched an Apple device till date because it's just hard to find except in Apple store or if you have very rich friends. So I had no idea. > They are all Safari skins That's crazy.
  - Hackbraten 5y ago
    There might be good reasons to do it from Apple’s point of view. For example, if Apple allowed third-party browser engines, any vendor could offer a browser with a vulnerability. That browser could be abused to install apps through that vulnerability, including malicious ones. I’m not implying that it’s ok for Apple to act like that. My point is that it’s consistent with their security model for iOS.
    - schwartzworld 5y ago
      The real reason is that they want you to get your apps from the app store and that's it. They can't get paid when people install PWAs or sideload open source apps. Same reason for killing the headphone jack. Same reason for having a different shape magsafe for every generation of MacBook. To keep the suckers spending.
      - Hackbraten 5y ago
        MagSafe has had only two variants while it existed (2006–2017). That’s more than a decade. Both MacBook Pros I’ve owned at that time each came with its power supply included, and lasted me seven years each. I consider myself frugal, not a sucker.
        schwartzworld 5y ago
        If you're buying apple products still, you're telling on yourself.
        Hackbraten 5y ago
        An alternative explanation would be: people have individual preferences, and value is a subjective concept.
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  > Safari skins More like embedded WebViews.

user-the-name 5y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016398

Hackbraten 5y ago

There’s a market for both devices, and justifiably so. Why not celebrate the fact that people have a choice?

atatatat 5y ago
separate from this, one of those devices is slowing the web from fully transitioning back to webapps.
- Hackbraten 5y ago
  You mean Safari and how it restricts local storage for privacy reasons? Or have I missed something else?

kiwijamo 5y ago

It fails on other browsers as well (e.g. Firefox on Linux) and someone has discovered[1] that it may well be a Netlify bug (sending more data than it's supposed to). I agree with your point that that Apple could do better but in this case it does seem that Apple's browser is doing the right thing and ignoring invalid data provided by Netlify (which is the same behaviour as Firefox at the very least). In any case going direct[2] to GitHub should work fine--that link works for me in Firefox on Linux (whereas the Netlify one does not). [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016906 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28016906 [2]: https://phiresky.github.io/blog/2021/hosting-sqlite-databases-on-github-pages/ https://phiresky.github.io/blog/2021/hosting-sqlite-database...