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No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested

No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

selimthegrim 5y ago
Do you think if they had announced before the election and Trump had won all the current recalcitrants would be lining up in droves to take it, their concerns about rushing assuaged?
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  All of them? No. I think some on the left would refuse it because Trump. I think some on the right would accept it because Trump. I think some would still be hesitant because their concerns with the vaccines are not political.
oezi 5y ago
It certainly wasn't purely political. It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict. The US FDA was among the first world-wide to approve (Europe was months later) which in my mind shows that there is not much to an argument that political forces delayed the announcement (and how could the opposition / democrats influence a government institution such as the FDA if the ruling party couldn't? Please no deep state bonkers). > The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office. I would challenge that Trump should receive any political credit for supporting the development of the vaccines, because when the development was happening at Moderna (US) and BionTech (Germany) in spring 2020 Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant. Trump should receive credit for Warpspeed that made sure the production of the developed vaccines is happening and is happening in a way that benefits the American people first (to great frustration to many Europeans).
- beerandt 5y ago
  >It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict. You can't claim they were just following the rules, because they weren't. They bended and broke whatever rules they saw fit to get the vaccine done, including doing multiple phases simultaneously. If the FDA were following the rules, we still wouldn't have a vaccine available, because they still don't have full FDA approval. >Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant Trump was called racist by Congressional D's for wanting to shut down the international travel to prevent the spread in February.
  - oezi 5y ago
    > You can't claim they were just following the rules, because they weren't. They bended and broke whatever rules they saw fit to get the vaccine done, including doing multiple phases simultaneously. I don't get your argument here. On the one side people are insinuating that the democrats influenced the FDA to delay the vaccine, then you suggest that the FDA rushed it. > Trump was called racist by Congressional D's for wanting to shut down the international travel to prevent the spread in February. It is tiresome to discuss with Americans. Why rip everything out of context? https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel...
    - beerandt 5y ago
      They either broke rules or followed them, as they saw convenient. There's no need for democrat influence; the vast majority of government employees are democrats. The collective behavior is both emergent and dogmatic. >I don't get your argument here. You think it's only possible to break rules in one direction at a time? Then I wouldn't expect you to get it. Maybe politics isn't for you. >It is tiresome to discuss with Americans Then don't. What's out of context? >fact check dot org Oh. Well if a left wing funded propaganda site can spin that "ban" doesn't really mean "ban" bc some people got exemptions; and even if it was a "ban" then it wasn't a good one; and even if it was a good one, it wasn't very effective... I guess that covers all possible angles. Biden literally called Trump xenophobic the following day. How's that for out of context? Grow up or go back to r/whatever.
rhizome 5y ago
Would you agree that if Trump thought the vaccine was delayed to make him look bad we'd hear him shouting it from the rooftops?

No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

selimthegrim 5y ago

Do you think if they had announced before the election and Trump had won all the current recalcitrants would be lining up in droves to take it, their concerns about rushing assuaged?

throwawayboise 5y ago
All of them? No. I think some on the left would refuse it because Trump. I think some on the right would accept it because Trump. I think some would still be hesitant because their concerns with the vaccines are not political.

oezi 5y ago

It certainly wasn't purely political. It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict. The US FDA was among the first world-wide to approve (Europe was months later) which in my mind shows that there is not much to an argument that political forces delayed the announcement (and how could the opposition / democrats influence a government institution such as the FDA if the ruling party couldn't? Please no deep state bonkers). > The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office. I would challenge that Trump should receive any political credit for supporting the development of the vaccines, because when the development was happening at Moderna (US) and BionTech (Germany) in spring 2020 Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant. Trump should receive credit for Warpspeed that made sure the production of the developed vaccines is happening and is happening in a way that benefits the American people first (to great frustration to many Europeans).

beerandt 5y ago
>It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict. You can't claim they were just following the rules, because they weren't. They bended and broke whatever rules they saw fit to get the vaccine done, including doing multiple phases simultaneously. If the FDA were following the rules, we still wouldn't have a vaccine available, because they still don't have full FDA approval. >Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant Trump was called racist by Congressional D's for wanting to shut down the international travel to prevent the spread in February.
- oezi 5y ago
  > You can't claim they were just following the rules, because they weren't. They bended and broke whatever rules they saw fit to get the vaccine done, including doing multiple phases simultaneously. I don't get your argument here. On the one side people are insinuating that the democrats influenced the FDA to delay the vaccine, then you suggest that the FDA rushed it. > Trump was called racist by Congressional D's for wanting to shut down the international travel to prevent the spread in February. It is tiresome to discuss with Americans. Why rip everything out of context? https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel...
  - beerandt 5y ago
    They either broke rules or followed them, as they saw convenient. There's no need for democrat influence; the vast majority of government employees are democrats. The collective behavior is both emergent and dogmatic. >I don't get your argument here. You think it's only possible to break rules in one direction at a time? Then I wouldn't expect you to get it. Maybe politics isn't for you. >It is tiresome to discuss with Americans Then don't. What's out of context? >fact check dot org Oh. Well if a left wing funded propaganda site can spin that "ban" doesn't really mean "ban" bc some people got exemptions; and even if it was a "ban" then it wasn't a good one; and even if it was a good one, it wasn't very effective... I guess that covers all possible angles. Biden literally called Trump xenophobic the following day. How's that for out of context? Grow up or go back to r/whatever.

rhizome 5y ago

Would you agree that if Trump thought the vaccine was delayed to make him look bad we'd hear him shouting it from the rooftops?